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Old 21.04.2021, 15:31
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I think we have to some extent forgotten how tough our ancestors had it. We have come to take the good times for granted and maybe grown a little too soft in the underbelly.

What we have today is still way preferable to what was happening back them.
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I think we have to some extent forgotten how tough our ancestors had it. We have come to take the good times for granted and maybe grown a little too soft in the underbelly.

What we have today is still way preferable to what was happening back them.
Only issue is no one lives the life described in the history books. Well, events involve real people like politicians starting a war or soldiers fighting a battles, etc. But people can be happy during wars or die of painful cancers during economic booms and peaceful times. If I get married, lose a family member, have an accident, get a new job, make a great sale.....does it really matters if the same day a war starts or a bank collapses triggering an economic crisis?

In economics this is divided between macro and micro. Don't know if these are the right words but WW2 and Pax Americana are macrohistory, but we live in microhistory. So, good macro conditions don't ensure good micro conditions.
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Only issue is no one lives the life described in the history books. Well, events involve real people like politicians starting a war or soldiers fighting a battles, etc. But people can be happy during wars or die of painful cancers during economic booms and peaceful times. If I get married, lose a family member, have an accident, get a new job, make a great sale.....does it really matters if the same day a war starts or a bank collapses triggering an economic crisis?

In economics this is divided between macro and micro. Don't know if these are the right words but WW2 and Pax Americana are macrohistory, but we live in microhistory. So, good macro conditions don't ensure good micro conditions.
This. I really appreciate the history excursions we get here, big time. The perspective is needed. It provides a good distance. My grampa was one of 3 kids out of 11 that lived past the age of 5 I think.

I do think that trying to understand the conditions back then and how people survived the previous hardships can be instructive. Cyrulnik is amazing in what he researches. I think the worries people have now are legit, though, too. Every force majeure will have a different flavor. No matter how big or small the problems are, they are as big as people feel them. There is a lot going on that is not talked about. If EF is a platform where people can share their worries, advice and humor -then all the better. Internet just makes it faster.
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If you were born in say 1945 and are 75 today, you are one of a very priviledged generation whose greatest challenges in life were probably passing exams at school, getting a job and paying the mortgage.

I think we have to some extent forgotten how tough our ancestors had it. We have come to take the good times for granted and maybe grown a little too soft in the underbelly.
OI ! - You left out The Cold War - surely people who lived through those times, lived in fear of the bomb
or if they were living on the Continent, they were living in fear of the bomb and the Soviet & Warsaw
Pact blitzkrieg down the Fulda Gap, if the Cold War ever turned hot.

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OI ! - You left out The Cold War - surely people who lived through those times, lived in fear of the bomb
or if they were living on the Continent, they were living in fear of the bomb and the Soviet & Warsaw
Pact blitzkrieg down the Fulda Gap, if the Cold War ever turned hot.

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Yeah. I don't think my underbelly is soft. Yet. Lemi look.

As their peons, we had Soviet bombs stored on our territory while fearing them and the imperialists' bombs at the same time. Interesting times.

Back to Covid and people digesting the chaos it comes with.

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Only issue is no one lives the life described in the history books. Well, events involve real people like politicians starting a war or soldiers fighting a battles, etc. But people can be happy during wars or die of painful cancers during economic booms and peaceful times. If I get married, lose a family member, have an accident, get a new job, make a great sale.....does it really matters if the same day a war starts or a bank collapses triggering an economic crisis?

In economics this is divided between macro and micro. Don't know if these are the right words but WW2 and Pax Americana are macrohistory, but we live in microhistory. So, good macro conditions don't ensure good micro conditions.
I can agree you can be happy (for a limited time anyway) during a war and totally unhappy during economic boom. But there's a difference, during a catastrophic time such is a war your chances to not be affected by it are very slim. Sure, there are people who made their fortunes during these turmoils, but most others have lived lives of (extreme) deprivation. No-one can live in a bubble. What happens around affects one even if is lucky enough to enjoy some privileges. Fortunately, we can't compare corona pandemic with other catastrophes. One's microcosmos is heavily influenced by the "Zeitgeist". Might sound outdated but if you look more closely no-one escapes (macro)history.

Back to corona aftermath - don't know about a pandemic of mental illnesses, I'm still trying to figure out what the future holds from the economic pov. I don't know how fast global economy will recover. On a "micro" level many of us here are secure, sure. For the time being. Anyways, I'll keep it short and end it on an optimistic note - I think people are more resourceful and stronger than they give themselves credit for.

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Yeah. I don't think my underbelly is soft. Yet. Lemi look.

As their peons, we had Soviet bombs stored on our territory while fearing them and the imperialists' bombs at the same time. Interesting times.

Back to Covid and people digesting the chaos it comes with.
I grew up not far from a base that had nuclear bombs.

If the Russians had bombed that base we would have been in the serious fallout zone. Very low chances of survival.

We just didn't think about it. We imagined it wasn't there and that it would never happen.

Fortunately it never did.

I had an art teacher at school who spent a night in the police station for protesting against it. That's about the worst thing that actually happened to anybody I knew.

Most of us at the time thought he was plain bonkers. Only later did I come to appreciate his bravery.

Other people build houses on seismic faultlines and on floodplanes.

Maybe that's tempting your fate.

But if a real out war starts, nobody is really safe. That's a different order of magnitude of shit hitting the fan.

Sure, some people did well during WW2 for example, bootlegging constrained supplies or whatever. But all things considered, even those people would probably have preferred a different situation.
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With just over half the British population vaccinated the UK is no doubt looking forward to the time when they
can say goodbye to this.

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