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Old 29.03.2020, 18:00
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I disagree. People grow, improve and better themselves only in isolation. The combined and focused effort of an individual who is doing work when nobody is looking serves as a catalyst for great potential achievements.
I think you will find that only a small portion of people will use the time to better themselves, the others will pig out on the couch, watch Netfilx and porn, eat snacks, drink beer, sigh and hum and bitch about just how bored they are.
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,,,there will be an a steady and steep recovery, as this recession is not induced by the common cycle.
How do you think this will come about? What will it involve?

Presumably, it'll take a while, so what do you envisage happening to those at the bottom of the heap, until such recovery has been achieved?
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:03
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the others will pig out on the couch, watch Netfilx and porn..
Hence the toilet paper shortage.
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:08
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

I wish some things (definitely not all) would change, but slammer's scenario is significantly more likely.

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My two Cents, we will have a few weeks with the warm fuzzy feeling of grace singing Kum ba yah. Then it will be business as usual.
The Americans will continue annoying everybody, China will still be the cheap tat capital, Iran will still be there, Saudi will still be locked in a oil war with Russia. Money will still rule the world, the rich will get richer the poor will stay poor, the middle class may take the equivalent of a economic nuke and go to the "poor" camp. Global warming is still a fact, degradation of the biosphere will still be escalating.
People will still want big screen TV´s, they will still want entertainment over security, above all they do not want to have to think for themselves.
There is simply too much inertia for things to change.
Same as after every school shooting - need to restrict access, need tightened laws, need to protect better, thoughts and prayers, virtual candles on FB and IG, yadda yadda - 2 weeks later, back to normal and things are forgotten.

Humans don't learn or change unless there's continued need and incentive to.

Come 2021, people will struggle to remember the name of this virus.

The Western world will be mostly fine within a reasonable timeframe, while the developing world will of course be worse off and more people will die from hunger within a few weeks. But alas, nothing new here either.
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:12
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I think you will find that only a small portion of people will use the time to better themselves, the others will pig out on the couch, watch Netfilx and porn, eat snacks, drink beer, sigh and hum and bitch about just how bored they are.
Well, that's precisely why some people are successful and others aren't. The road to the top is steep and tedious. Only a few are daring enough and willing to go all the way. This is perfect, as it puts everybody on the same level and some may use this downtime to get a headstart.
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:17
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Well, that's precisely why some people are successful and others aren't. The road to the top is steep and tedious. Only a few are daring enough and willing to go all the way. This is perfect, as it puts everybody on the same level and some may use this downtime to get a headstart.

Downtime? Many plebs out there still go to work as usual, whether they like it or not - so no, not everybody on the same level.

Now please excuse me while i pause the porn and get up from my couch to grab a beer.
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:20
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Downtime? Many plebs out there still go to work as usual, whether they like it or not - so no, not everybody on the same level.

Now please excuse me while i pause the porn and get up from my couch to grab a beer.
Time to unpleb yourself and start walking a higher path.
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:26
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

Thought about the same. Time for reflection and it’s about the time to change our attitude towards life forever.

I, for one, hope that those directors of horror movies/series about zombies and viruses will stop selling the fiction and rethink real repercussion of true pandemics. The world will stop experimenting bio weapons in labs and other means of self destruction.
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:27
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

Also, humans are by definition social beings. There is absolutely no way whatsoever that being confined to the home for long periods of time is an option for anyone (cue mandatory 3.5 exceptions). Could there potentially be some more flexibility in where, when, how many of us work? Maybe, for a while anyway. It's not so much whether it can be done though - a lot can be done - but whether it should be. Sure one can sit on VCs for 10 hours a day, doesn't mean that's anywhere near the same as being in-room. I'm an introvert and people drain some of my energy, but even I can't remain in isolation. We all inherently need human interaction, any form of it, whether we consciously realize that or not.

Also, personally I have had zero downtime but have instead been working 12, 13, 14 hours nonstop a day and thus much more than normal. In many ways this is precisely because there's no natural cutoff to the day - nowhere to commute to, no lunch to go to, no beers to be had anywhere and with anyone, no exercise class to disappear to, and no family to go back to as they've been around you all day already anyway (provided you have one). Most people I know report the same. No corona vacation here and of course absolutely not sustainable either without creating problems on a whole other level.
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:32
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Time to unpleb yourself and start walking a higher path.
Surely you jest! I was, as a matter of course, merely discussing the petty commoners, peasants, and riffraff.
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:34
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Surely you jest! I was, as a matter of course, merely discussing the petty commoners, peasants, and riffraff.
Yes, you, omtatsat and the guy trying to sell a plane. Did I miss anybody?
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:43
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

Take it from someone who knows - it's not too good to look too far into the future. Back in the UK I've lived through the 70s oil crisis (but the power cuts were fun for kids and teenagers), the Winter of Discontent, subsequent recession and the miners' strike in the early 80s when I had to move to other end of the country to find work. Then came the recession and property collapse of 1992 when we both lost our jobs and almost our house; back on our feet by 2000 then the same house was flooded so we had all the trauma of an uninhabitable house to contend with.

Fast forward to 2006, living an idyllic life in Scotland and running a small business when I got hit with the whammy of finding out I had aggressive cancer. In 2016 a house we'd bought before OH came to Basel subsided and is subject to legal proceedings against the developer. Oh and into the mix, in 2018 I found out I'd been scammed by a long time financial advisor I trusted and I'd lost my private pension (no compensation either).

And you think I'm worried about the prospect of everything collapsing? Nah, it's better to just live for the day, even if it's a crap one there will be another tomorrow that might just be better
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:43
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This is perfect, as it puts everybody on the same level and some may use this downtime to get a headstart.
Which is precisely why I've taken this time to sign up for online courses.
Keep the mind sharp, there's already a lot of couch potatoes. He says sitting on the couch watching flog it.
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:48
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Hence the toilet paper shortage.
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:53
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I had hope for a positive change, but then I saw Trump’s approval rating is at an all time high. I’ve given hope that the world can become a better place.
I read a piece by Heather Cox Richardson - she‘s an historian. She writes a newsletter - you can read the entry here where she discussed the approval rating. It‘s not uncommon for leaders‘ approvals to increase during a crisis, though Trump‘s increase is fairly small.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/


And she discusses why, for example, Trump‘s base hangs with him through the frame of his proposed (but illegal and not implemented ) quarantine of NY, and parts of NJ and CT. Her work is interesting and gives me faith.
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Downtime? Many plebs out there still go to work as usual, whether they like it or not - so no, not everybody on the same level.

Now please excuse me while i pause the porn and get up from my couch to grab a beer.
Don't forget the toilet paper...
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Old 29.03.2020, 19:35
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

There is no alternative to „business as usual“ when it‘s all over. We (Hausamsee - it wasn‘t only me and you were involved too) have build a world based on capitalism.

If we don‘t go back to the old ways, we will starve and wars will result as 95% of the human population have no job, no food, no money, no hope.

Doubtless there will be massive economic changes and there will be businesses and even industries that don’t survive - airlines and holiday companies for example.

I am in the vulnerable age group with a number of friends and relations who are too and with pre-existing conditions and we may well not all survive this, but those who do will be closer than ever before.

What the world must do is learn from this. As I posted on EF before, Covid-19 is a mild virus killing some under 1%. The next could be much more vicious...
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I disagree. People grow, improve and better themselves only in isolation. The combined and focused effort of an individual who is doing work when nobody is looking serves as a catalyst for great potential achievements.
People grow, improve and better themselves only in isolation.

Thats going a bit too far. You think all the great leaders or inventors or scientists got that way by isolating themselves? Some maybe.
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

Most people I know both here and back at home seem to have parked themselves in front of Netflix for the duration. OH is working from home so I've chosen the route of free online courses and other stuff, I'm not an avid TV watcher anyway. I'm also catching up with writing letters to friends, remember when we did that before email and texting?
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Old 29.03.2020, 20:42
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What the world must do is learn from this. As I posted on EF before, Covid-19 is a mild virus killing some under 1%. The next could be much more vicious...
I going to be contentious and debate that.

If theoretically a flu virus had a much higher mortality rate, by nature it would kill a lot of people quicker and the spread wouldn't be so great, and so fast. and would be more controllable.

People know understand that many of the 1918 Spanish flu deaths were due to infections aided by poor sanitary conditions and malnutrition.
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