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I must be awesome by now - I've been keeping myself to myself for twenty years.
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[B]You think all the great leaders or inventors or scientists got that way by isolating themselves? Some maybe.
Yes, I do. You need to be focused and dedicated and that only works if you don't feel the need to socialize, drink beer, watch porn, etc. in order to stave of your ennui. Your task will be your only motivation. You eat, sleep and drink whatever you're trying to do. Everything else is a hobby. Whenever you feel that the need to succeed at a certain task becomes more important than the actual air that you're breathing, only then you've got the right mindset and you're on the right track.
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Old 29.03.2020, 20:55
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I going to be contentious and debate that.

If theoretically a flu virus had a much higher mortality rate, by nature it would kill a lot of people quicker and the spread wouldn't be so great, and so fast. and would be more controllable.

People know understand that many of the 1918 Spanish flu deaths were due to infections aided by poor sanitary conditions and malnutrition.
Assuming the next corona virus doesn’t have say, a 30 day gestation period for example...
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I wish some things (definitely not all) would change, but slammer's scenario is significantly more likely.



Same as after every school shooting - need to restrict access, need tightened laws, need to protect better, thoughts and prayers, virtual candles on FB and IG, yadda yadda - 2 weeks later, back to normal and things are forgotten.

Humans don't learn or change unless there's continued need and incentive to.

Come 2021, people will struggle to remember the name of this virus.

The Western world will be mostly fine within a reasonable timeframe, while the developing world will of course be worse off and more people will die from hunger within a few weeks. But alas, nothing new here either.
What !! - No place for Zombies following the Coronavirus outbreak, surely they deserve a place in the brave new world !!
Science fiction writers & fim makers will be bitterly disappointed if we start discriminating against Zombies
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I must be awesome by now - I've been keeping myself to myself for twenty years.
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My thoughts on what may happen after this pandemic, countries will start to rethink their manufacturing supply chain. The US will rethink outsourcing as will many countries worldwide but I think the US will act immediately as they cannot afford not to take action.

Maybe just maybe, this may bring people closer and unite. I know I have taken the time to reach out to friends I did not "have the time" with whom to contact but to be fair, I should have made the time before this lockdown to reconnect. It makes me think about others with whom I have lost touch and how they are coping given this tough environment.

I am using this time to reconnect with my old friends from the various countries in which we lived; brush up on my Swiss German and dust off those old kettlebells which have sat in the corner of our bedroom (and have much dust given their lack of use!).

Frankly, I feel fortunate that my husband and I and our children (at the moment) are healthy and while lockdown is not the easiest, it could be much worse.
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WFH will not be accepted in CH until the cantons harmonise their tax laws.
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Old 29.03.2020, 22:01
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WFH will not be accepted in CH until the cantons harmonise their tax laws.
Say whut? I WFH for two separate employers. One based in my canton, the other in Zürich. What has tax to do with WFH?
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Old 29.03.2020, 22:12
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after months of being confined together, i imagine divorce rates will spike... together with birth rates maybe?
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Old 29.03.2020, 22:30
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Assuming the next corona virus doesn’t have say, a 30 day gestation period for example...
It doesn’t matter what it is, nature is fighting back now and what we’ve done to our planet and its inhabitants is about to take its toll. I feel your fear and rightly so, you’re intelligent enough to know that after all of what us humans have done, its simply the law of averages that it won’t turn out well for us. It’ll be something different next time. And fear is just going to make it worse.
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Old 29.03.2020, 22:53
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It doesn’t matter what it is, nature is fighting back now and what we’ve done to our planet and its inhabitants is about to take its toll. I feel your fear and rightly so, you’re intelligent enough to know that after all of what us humans have done, its simply the law of averages that it won’t turn out well for us. It’ll be something different next time. And fear is just going to make it worse.
Nature is not fighting back, nature is a thing not an entity, it doesn´t know that we are here, nature just is.
Having said that it would seem that we get a plague every hundred years.
2020 Corona
1920 Spanish flu
1820 Cholera
1720 great plagues
1620 great plagues again
1520 smallpox
and before that the black death, followed by the slight ache in the left side.
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Old 29.03.2020, 23:04
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What the world must do is learn from this. As I posted on EF before, Covid-19 is a mild virus killing some under 1%. The next could be much more vicious...
I honestly think you are right but nothing will change. Im afraid in my lifetime (so next 30 yrs) the big one will hit with 90% death rate.

The world should take action but wont for economical and 'political correctness' reasons. What should happen is a mandatory 2 week quarantene for everything and everybody (independent of nationality) coming out of China. This will bring about a change in supply lines and will hurt China badly...

There was an article in the 20min about the origin of the virus. In the comments there were a large amount of reactions of people from Ticino saying they (and their entire family) already had this type of illness last November. All these responses were written in correct high German... eerily correct. The propaganda war on who is to blame has started !
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Nature is not fighting back, nature is a thing not an entity, it doesn´t know that we are here, nature just is.
Having said that it would seem that we get a plague every hundred years.
2020 Corona
1920 Spanish flu
1820 Cholera
1720 great plagues
1620 great plagues again
1520 smallpox
and before that the black death, followed by the slight ache in the left side.
Not to disturb your nice list, but have a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
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Hear me out I am starting this new thread to explore the sociological, psychological and economic impact of all this once its over.

I don't think life will ever be the same again and perhaps we can take some valuable lessons from it. Being forced to make a full stop to our hectic lives and think about the fragility of civilisation is not a bad thing, we take so much for granted but nothing is guaranteed. You just have to look at the panic buying in the first week to see the primeval fear that was triggered in us all, in the words of Lenin “Every society is three meals away from chaos”.

Anyway, once we are allowed out of isolation and normality resumes this could be a giant reset button that makes us re-evaluate our lives and some of the crap of the last 5 years e.g. Trump, populism, Brexit, Woke culture, twitter storms, vacuous social media, erosion of privacy etc.. and the fact that none of it makes us happy.

Usually these types of awakenings happen after personal loss but here its happening on a much larger scale e.g. some people may choose/be forced to quit the rat race and do something that truly makes them happy.
Would be lovely if people reconsidered certain aspects, both personal and global (I would hope too that this period is an indicator how quickly our effect on environment can be changed).
But I'm afraid that large majority will perhaps think and reminisce about stuff for a couple of months, but then in a year or two end up in exactly the same routine as they were before all this.
If nothing else, people will, shortly after this all has blown over, rebook all of the trips and holidays they missed due to this (perhaps with a bit of concerning about the destination's handling of then past crysis) and there it all goes to business as usual I'm afraid...
We are creature of habits.

So, behaviorally, even though I'd like something "big" to change, I don't believe it will much.

Economically however, things might take a bit longer to come back up to speed. But don't know how much money can all the countries print.


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Also, personally I have had zero downtime but have instead been working 12, 13, 14 hours nonstop a day and thus much more than normal. In many ways this is precisely because there's no natural cutoff to the day - nowhere to commute to, no lunch to go to, no beers to be had anywhere and with anyone, no exercise class to disappear to, and no family to go back to as they've been around you all day already anyway (provided you have one). Most people I know report the same. No corona vacation here and of course absolutely not sustainable either without creating problems on a whole other level.
You are the one who needs to take control of this.
What's helped me (and experts advise it too) is trying to stick to the same routine as when I do office work - as much as possible:
Get up at same time, clothes on (no pyjama work lol), create a working corner/environment, lunch break is lunch break, coffee time, stop just as when I stop at the office, occasional training at home "after work".

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Old 30.03.2020, 00:48
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Economically however, things might take a bit longer to come back up to speed. But don't know how much money can all the countries print.
The Swiss National Bank is buying it up (again). They can buy it back after.
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

I'm with Slammer on this, nothing fundamental will change. Simply because our societies are expressions of the human psyche (along with other factors of course), and that doesn't change that quickly.

Production volumes of whatever is in dire need now will be ramped quickly. Antibody tests will developed and produced in large amounts, broad testing will show us where we stand, if the known positive tests are the majority of all infections or just the tip of the iceberg.

If immunisation does indeed happen, as apears to be the case, transfusion of blood plasma donated by immunised people may become a way to keep the people at risk out of the ICU's. And if it is confirmed that the virus tests performed nowadays show only a small portion of the infected, then immunisation the natural way may well happen relatively soon without overwhelming the healthcare system (once healthcare providers have increased their capacities sufficiently).

It may take 1-2 years but life will go on and we'll be back to normal as we defined it last year fairly soon.

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It's no catastrophe at all to spend the summer holidays in the garden or on the balcony. Now may be an excellent time to order that ventilator or AC unit.
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It's no catastrophe at all to spend the summer holidays in the garden or on the balcony. Now may be an excellent time to order that ventilator or AC unit.
Fingers crossed on not needing a ventilator.
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I think you will find that only a small portion of people will use the time to better themselves, the others will pig out on the couch, watch Netfilx and porn, eat snacks, drink beer, sigh and hum and bitch about just how bored they are.

i don't care if you choose to stay at home and stare at pigeons on the balcony (infact one friend is atually doing this and updating me daily )

if you stay at home then you already are doing more than some, and staying at home is enough for now....(yes i'll keep repeating this)
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Yeah, if you want a change it means people have to change their ways and frankly I don't believe all people can change. Too much entitlement, they grew up with that in some countries. Older generations now are not that old not to have the impression their countries are the salt of the earth.

It will be like this or like that, it won't, it will, it won't, nobody can predict anything.

Work on yourself everyone and you'll make the world a better place. Yes, really, start with yourselves. Other than that, you, we, can't control anything. We won't, just by magic, surpass our human condition all of a sudden. We'll have to continue living with uncertainty, like we always had to. Perhaps with some more kindness, I should only hope. All these distractions and false abundance of goods and this crazy materialism just numbed us, we're as fragile and precarious as ever, and we're all in the same boat. I know, some of you don't like this.

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Yeah, if you want a change it means people have to change their ways and frankly I don't believe all people can change. Too much entitlement, they grew up with that in some countries. Older generations now are not that old not to have the impression their countries are the salt of the earth.

It will be like this or like that, it won't, it will, it won't, nobody can predict anything.

Work on yourself everyone and you'll make the world a better place. Yes, really, start with yourselves. Other than that, you, we, can't control anything. Wo won't, just by magic, surpass our human condition all of a sudden. We'll have to continue living with uncertainty, like we always had to. All these distractions just numbed us, we're as fragile and precarious as ever, and we're all in the same boat. I know, some of you don't like this.
People might not want to change but circumstance will dictate in the future that they have to change. There won't be a choice
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