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Old 30.03.2020, 17:28
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One thing that is now evident is the fact that seasonal workers from eastern Europe are no longer coming to the west to work on the fields, no fruit pickers, no Spargelstecher, no cheap labour for farms, no flowerpickers for Holland, no vegetable pickers for France and Spain.
That is going to put a dent on the harvest for 2020, add to that these workers depend on the sesonal work for a living.
The Easter European medical staff I bet will stay in their Western jobs. There was a Czech nurse in today's papers who works in Italy and who is exhausted. She said she most probably got infected and ill with Covid19 twice.

I wonder what will happen in the future, if Eastern European governments will try to keep the staff the country invested in with medical education and training and will impose new conditions. Ie. - you don't stay home, you have to pay back your studies. Edu is funded by the state in CZ.

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One thing that is now evident is the fact that seasonal workers from eastern Europe are no longer coming to the west to work on the fields, no fruit pickers, no Spargelstecher, no cheap labour for farms, no flowerpickers for Holland, no vegetable pickers for France and Spain.
That is going to put a dent on the harvest for 2020, add to that these workers depend on the sesonal work for a living.
No-one should work as a seasonal anything, everyone needs health and unemployment insurances. People's needs are not seasonal. Their lives are not seasonal. The price of food was artificially low. I am glad it's over with this BS encouraged by the EU. No more. Basta. Enough. I think these problems revealed by the corona crisis are really ugly and they should be raised right in front of the European Parliament.

Yes, no-one will come anymore. Those money don't go a long way in Eastern Europe, not anymore and for quite some time already, as prices are equalising everywhere and a ruined health costs people more. I wish we could take our doctors and nurses back right now, but they're gonna stay put.

If Western EU needs seasonal workers, they should start using their unemployed etc etc
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

Got a conspiracy theory forwarded to me. I think it ticks all the tin-foil hat boxes.
  • 5g causes Coronavirus
  • Coronavirus tests actually cause the disease
  • The coronavirus vaccine is designed to make us more susceptible to 5g radiation
  • It will contain rfid chips so we can be tracked
  • All currencies will be replaced by a new cryptocurrency using blockchain
  • You'll only be able to use the new currency if you can prove you've had the vaccine or the test shows you're immune.
  • It's all to usher in the New World Order
  • It's coordinated by the 1% of the 1% elite.

You heard it all here first, folks!
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Old 30.03.2020, 20:38
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Today it appears as if Hungary used the Coronavirus as a reason to abolish democracy! A scary prospect, I wonder how many other countries will see similar changes? Will all these emergency powers be so easily relinquished once the crisis is over?

On a completely different note, after two weeks of home schooling, I wonder how many parents are now realizing that the problem wasn't their child's after all... Maybe some more respect for teachers in future?
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Old 30.03.2020, 20:41
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If Western EU needs seasonal workers, they should start using their unemployed etc etc
That is actually under discussion at the moment, but, a few years ago the government tried to get unemployed from the Harz IV program to work as Erntehelfer... Needless to say it was a disaster.
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Old 30.03.2020, 20:43
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Got a conspiracy theory forwarded to me. I think it ticks all the tin-foil hat boxes.
  • 5g causes Coronavirus
  • Coronavirus tests actually cause the disease
  • The coronavirus vaccine is designed to make us more susceptible to 5g radiation
  • It will contain rfid chips so we can be tracked
  • All currencies will be replaced by a new cryptocurrency using blockchain
  • You'll only be able to use the new currency if you can prove you've had the vaccine or the test shows you're immune.
  • It's all to usher in the New World Order
  • It's coordinated by the 1% of the 1% elite.

You heard it all here first, folks!
I like how no. 1 and 3 interplay.

Shouldn't the conclusion be: corona was invented by Swisscom to get rid of the opponents and pursuit their project?
As usually the logic is missing. Do the Chinese and the Italians have 5G yet?
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Old 30.03.2020, 20:59
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No-one should work as a seasonal anything, everyone needs health and unemployment insurances. People's needs are not seasonal. Their lives are not seasonal. The price of food was artificially low. I am glad it's over with this BS encouraged by the EU. No more. Basta. Enough. I think these problems revealed by the corona crisis are really ugly and they should be raised right in front of the European Parliament.

Yes, no-one will come anymore. Those money don't go a long way in Eastern Europe, not anymore and for quite some time already, as prices are equalising everywhere and a ruined health costs people more. I wish we could take our doctors and nurses back right now, but they're gonna stay put.

If Western EU needs seasonal workers, they should start using their unemployed etc etc
As far as I know, western EU job seekers don’t want to do that kind of hard and not very well paid seasonal jobs.
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I like how no. 1 and 3 interplay.

Shouldn't the conclusion be: corona was invented by Swisscom to get rid of the opponents and pursuit their project?
As usually the logic is missing. Do the Chinese and the Italians have 5G yet?
According to the loony, the first place in China to get 5g was Wuhan, and the Italians have it "all over the place".
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Got a conspiracy theory forwarded to me. I think it ticks all the tin-foil hat boxes.
  • 5g causes Coronavirus
  • Coronavirus tests actually cause the disease
  • The coronavirus vaccine is designed to make us more susceptible to 5g radiation
  • It will contain rfid chips so we can be tracked
  • All currencies will be replaced by a new cryptocurrency using blockchain
  • You'll only be able to use the new currency if you can prove you've had the vaccine or the test shows you're immune.
  • It's all to usher in the New World Order
  • It's coordinated by the 1% of the 1% elite.

You heard it all here first, folks!
i did not know you had such a close relationship with Trump
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Old 31.03.2020, 08:23
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

Well that was "unexpected..." Looks like Orban has gotten his little Führer on in Hungary. He now has the right to rule by decrete instead of via parlement with unlimited power for unlimited time.
Then on the news Trump has prepped the Americans for up to 100.000 deaths. I can see what he is doing; speculating on a much lower body count so that in November he will be coming up smelling like a rose. And if the death toll is much higher then it will be the fault of the "Evil chinese virus!"
Also it seems that there is a whiff of martial law in the UK with police arresting and fining people for being outside for shopping or going to work

What a world hey?
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Well that was "unexpected..." Looks like Orban has gotten his little Führer on in Hungary. He now has the right to rule by decrete instead of via parlement with unlimited power for unlimited time.
Then on the news Trump has prepped the Americans for up to 100.000 deaths. I can see what he is doing; speculating on a much lower body count so that in November he will be coming up smelling like a rose. And if the death toll is much higher then it will be the fault of the "Evil chinese virus!"
Also it seems that there is a whiff of martial law in the UK with police arresting and fining people for being outside for shopping or going to work

What a world hey?
Well I would say it will be a LOWER death rete as what he says
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Today it appears as if Hungary used the Coronavirus as a reason to abolish democracy! A scary prospect, I wonder how many other countries will see similar changes? Will all these emergency powers be so easily relinquished once the crisis is over?

I've been watching these things with increasing concern and was wondering when someone would finally pick up on them. Been saying to friends and colleagues for 10 days that I'm worried about implications on democratic rights and even the very foundation of democracy itself, but was semi-dismissed by some of them (not all). Read up on some stuff that other countries are doing, from surveillance to making random unjustified police checks to deploying anti-terrorist measures. To me this is more frightening than everything else, especially in a world that has been tipping towards the right for a few years now.
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To me this is more frightening than everything else, especially in a world that has been tipping towards the right for a few years now.
Well if people are buying into the hysteria that every life MUST be saved at any cost, then most governments will react to that public hysteria. Some are unscrupulous, however if these powers have been removed at some time in the past, they'll be removed at some time in the future.
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Well if people are buying into the hysteria that every life MUST be saved at any cost, then most governments will react to that public hysteria. Some are unscrupulous, however if these powers have been removed at some time in the past, they'll be removed at some time in the future.
Theres always someone who wants to profit out of a crisis. And politicians are sometimes the first. Called Consolidation of power.
Consolidation of power refers to the practice of dissolving or disbanding legislative, judicial and executive authorities and concentrating power in one or two offices or office holders. There are literally dozens of historical examples, from monarchies to elected governments, to individual dictatorships.
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Well if people are buying into the hysteria that every life MUST be saved at any cost, then most governments will react to that public hysteria. Some are unscrupulous, however if these powers have been removed at some time in the past, they'll be removed at some time in the future.
Of course all true. But at what cost will this be?
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Of course all true. But at what cost will this be?
In the great scale of things, nothing.
We should be much more concerned about the financial costs we are now burdening ourselves and younger generations with to try to save everyone.
Most of the people who die from coronavirus would be dead presently (5 years say) anyway.


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In the great scale of things, nothing.
We should be much more concerned about the financial costs we are now burdening ourselves and younger generations with to try to save everyone.
Most of the people who die from coronavirus would be dead presently (5 years say) anyway.


Never has so much been spent of so few for so little.
Oh believe me I am concerned just as much even if not more about economic consequences, not just on us, but the world at large.

I agree with all you say. I didn't comment here or elsewhere until a few days ago, though my thinking went in that direction from the beginning and it's been much more concerning to me than the issue itself. But I expected people to need a few weeks of panic before being able to slowly return to reason and starting to realize the much larger consequences

(let me make clear here that there's nothing wrong with emotional reactions per se, but in blind fear, people are rarely rational and objective - that includes me, in other situations, however I have at no stage been afraid of the virus and never had the reaction others have had).
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Ooo! Now that is a slippery slope to stand on. Would you want a society that is ready and will sacfrifice it´s citizens to uphold the shareholder value? Let people die because it´s not economically sensible for them to live?

That is social darwinism of the worst order. You know who else was a social darwinist? Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, that way of thinking is so 19th century, don´t you think we have moved on a tad?

"Oh, well sorry Mr. Slammer, your granddaughter is not eligibal for treatment because we don´t have enough beds. Tough, but it´s not personal, just economic sense!"
I would be shoving the barrel of my gun down any doctors throat who says that.
Just imagine, the poor have to die and the rich can continue living, jsut how long do you think it will last before the poor take to arms? Lenin is credited with saying that chaos is only three missed meals away, you could add to that by asking how many deaths would you accept and how many do you think it will need before people see that they are being left to die and rise up?
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