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Corona - The aftermath

Hear me out I am starting this new thread to explore the sociological, psychological and economic impact of all this once its over.

I don't think life will ever be the same again and perhaps we can take some valuable lessons from it. Being forced to make a full stop to our hectic lives and think about the fragility of civilisation is not a bad thing, we take so much for granted but nothing is guaranteed. You just have to look at the panic buying in the first week to see the primeval fear that was triggered in us all, in the words of Lenin “Every society is three meals away from chaos”.

Anyway, once we are allowed out of isolation and normality resumes this could be a giant reset button that makes us re-evaluate our lives and some of the crap of the last 5 years e.g. Trump, populism, Brexit, Woke culture, twitter storms, vacuous social media, erosion of privacy etc.. and the fact that none of it makes us happy.

Usually these types of awakenings happen after personal loss but here its happening on a much larger scale e.g. some people may choose/be forced to quit the rat race and do something that truly makes them happy.
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YES all of it. Thanks.
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

Funny, I was just thinking of starting a discussion on this topic

I think you're right, this will turn out to be the be biggest sociopolitical and economic event of our lifetimes. So what will change? Off the top of my head:

Working from home - After weeks of people proving they are quite capable of working from, and with the technology and IT tools available, I think many business will start to question why they spend so much money on office space when it's not needed.

Business travel - People will not be flying half way around the world for a 3 hour meeting anymore. Businesses will not be willing to pay for this when business can be conducted over a Skype call.

Globalism - could it be over?

Economy - a perfect storm of the coronavirus, economic crisis and oil price will have some unimaginable consequences. You can hear the printing presses whirring as governments around the world print more money to deal with the current crisis. This can't possibly go on, I expect inflation followed by perhaps a debt reset at some point.

China - The world is going to be a lot more skeptical of China.

EU - Closer integration as they use the exploit the lack of a coordinated as a reason for more centralised power. Or perhaps it will all be over for the same reason as well as being unable to sort out the Euro crisis which will happen soon.

Climate Change - I expect people will have a lot less time for the doom mongers after this.
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Old 29.03.2020, 15:20
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

Working from home? If my company insists that we all work 50% in the office, he is free to fire me so I can keep my health and will not infect others. Lessons learned: FTYP

Hubby: absence makes the heart grow fonder they say. Despite missing him tremendously, I will in future value more the time we can spend together.

Modern technology: I for one am immensely grateful for being able to skype, facetime, whatever and stay in safe contact with friends and family.
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My two Cents, we will have a few weeks with the warm fuzzy feeling of grace singing Kum ba yah. Then it will be business as usual.
The Americans will continue annoying everybody, China will still be the cheap tat capital, Iran will still be there, Saudi will still be locked in a oil war with Russia. Money will still rule the world, the rich will get richer the poor will stay poor, the middle class may take the equivalent of a economic nuke and go to the "poor" camp. Global warming is still a fact, degradation of the biosphere will still be escalating.
People will still want big screen TVīs, they will still want entertainment over security, above all they do not want to have to think for themselves.
There is simply too much inertia for things to change.
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

I had hope for a positive change, but then I saw Trump’s approval rating is at an all time high. I’ve given hope that the world can become a better place.
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

I also think that we are seeing conformation of the tragedy of the commons.... Must buy all the bog paper before anybody else takes it.
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Business as usual, not sure what OP is trying to imply. Once everything settles and we're allowed to freely roam the premises, wifi works and Punkt12 reports on the excess stock of TP, Corona will slowly be forgotten. Currently, we have to isolate and yet we lack of nothing at all. There are millions of people around the world who lived like this pre-corona days. Despite the many tragic deaths we as a global society incurred, the millions of people who have fallen ill, we are nothing but fly manure in the world's timeline. This being said, dance while you can, sing your song, move on with life then time is scarce.
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

Good thread castro but as to aftermath... we are in the beginning stages still I'm afraid. Someone posted the below quote to me two months ago (when we had our first cases here) I read it and dismissed it as an overreaction ...but now after two months...well...


"First part of being a hero is staying alive. The cemetery is chock full of heroes, your first priority is staying alive. This virus has now integrated itself within humanity and now we will have to deal with it. While there are those who recognize just how serious this is, they are drowned out by fools and their enablers. Right now use what time you have to prep yourself and those who will listen and hunker for a bit. When things settle (hopefully) you can help those less prepared"
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Old 29.03.2020, 16:30
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Re: Corona - The aftermath

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I'm not a gambling man, but even I would take you up on that. In the best possible scenario I could imagine, we'll be slowly getting back to normality by that time, but the effects will last for years.

Your constant "It's not as bad as they're making out" attitude has a certain amount of logic to it (however small) but there's optimism and then there's downright blind ignorance, and this seems to be getting perilously close to the latter.
I didn't take V_'s post as coming from the attitude described (and obviously despised) by you but - and I agree - as it won't cause deep changes (just as Slammer described further down).
On the contrary, there might be a lot of catching up done and make it worse.

As I keep repeating, our predicament is still so outrageously luxurious.
Does anybody ever think of the Southamerican - and others - favelas? Will anybody count the people starving and freezing at the moment (due to corona stopping from anything that would help them to at least survive)? One doesn't even need to go that far. I have seen some very, very poor people living in London. I wonder how they survive just now?

Some people might realize that they don't need half the stuff and "activity" to be happy and content. A few people will change their lives and attitudes. Too few is my guess.
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I had hope for a positive change, but then I saw Trump’s approval rating is at an all time high. I’ve given hope that the world can become a better place.
I read a piece by Heather Cox Richardson - she‘s an historian. She writes a newsletter - you can read the entry here where she discussed the approval rating. It‘s not uncommon for leaders‘ approvals to increase during a crisis, though Trump‘s increase is fairly small.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/


And she discusses why, for example, Trump‘s base hangs with him through the frame of his proposed (but illegal and not implemented ) quarantine of NY, and parts of NJ and CT. Her work is interesting and gives me faith.
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My two Cents, we will have a few weeks with the warm fuzzy feeling of grace singing Kum ba yah. Then it will be business as usual.
The Americans will continue annoying everybody, China will still be the cheap tat capital, Iran will still be there, Saudi will still be locked in a oil war with Russia. Money will still rule the world, the rich will get richer the poor will stay poor, the middle class may take the equivalent of a economic nuke and go to the "poor" camp. Global warming is still a fact, degradation of the biosphere will still be escalating.
People will still want big screen TVīs, they will still want entertainment over security, above all they do not want to have to think for themselves.
There is simply too much inertia for things to change.
Or.... it will force us to change our ways forever.
The almost 3 years of Spanish flu actually played an important part in ending WW1 and it played an important part in shaping the world until 1920.

Perhaps it will get us to a point where it will force us to align with those of past generations. They were never foolish enough to believe in entitlement.
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Or.... it will force us to change our ways forever.
The almost 3 years of Spanish flu actually played an important part in ending WW1 and it played an important part in shaping the world until 1920.

Perhaps it will get us to a point where it will force us to align with those of past generations. They were never foolish enough to believe in entitlement.
The Spanish flu had no impact on the end of WW1 what so ever, in fact it was covered up so much that it took years for the general public to get the details. It is called the Spanish flu because Spain was the only country not to censor and so the world learned about the extent through Spanish sources. Also the armistice was not the end of the fighting, Poland and the Soviets went to war, the Turks genocided the Armenians, Iraq revolted against the Brits, Ireland got independence etc. etc. Despite all the deaths the Spanish flu had virtually no impact on society...

Except for a little ditty that my grandma used to sing to me:
"I had a little bird, itīs name was Enza, I opened a window and in-flew-enza."
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I wish some things (definitely not all) would change, but slammer's scenario is significantly more likely.

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My two Cents, we will have a few weeks with the warm fuzzy feeling of grace singing Kum ba yah. Then it will be business as usual.
The Americans will continue annoying everybody, China will still be the cheap tat capital, Iran will still be there, Saudi will still be locked in a oil war with Russia. Money will still rule the world, the rich will get richer the poor will stay poor, the middle class may take the equivalent of a economic nuke and go to the "poor" camp. Global warming is still a fact, degradation of the biosphere will still be escalating.
People will still want big screen TVīs, they will still want entertainment over security, above all they do not want to have to think for themselves.
There is simply too much inertia for things to change.
Same as after every school shooting - need to restrict access, need tightened laws, need to protect better, thoughts and prayers, virtual candles on FB and IG, yadda yadda - 2 weeks later, back to normal and things are forgotten.

Humans don't learn or change unless there's continued need and incentive to.

Come 2021, people will struggle to remember the name of this virus.

The Western world will be mostly fine within a reasonable timeframe, while the developing world will of course be worse off and more people will die from hunger within a few weeks. But alas, nothing new here either.
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I wish some things (definitely not all) would change, but slammer's scenario is significantly more likely.



Same as after every school shooting - need to restrict access, need tightened laws, need to protect better, thoughts and prayers, virtual candles on FB and IG, yadda yadda - 2 weeks later, back to normal and things are forgotten.

Humans don't learn or change unless there's continued need and incentive to.

Come 2021, people will struggle to remember the name of this virus.

The Western world will be mostly fine within a reasonable timeframe, while the developing world will of course be worse off and more people will die from hunger within a few weeks. But alas, nothing new here either.
What !! - No place for Zombies following the Coronavirus outbreak, surely they deserve a place in the brave new world !!
Science fiction writers & fim makers will be bitterly disappointed if we start discriminating against Zombies
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Business travel - People will not be flying half way around the world for a 3 hour meeting anymore. Businesses will not be willing to pay for this when business can be conducted over a Skype call.
I was thinking about that too. It saves lots of time, money and is good for the environment. Hope this will be the final push to that.
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Who wants to bet all of this will be forgotten by Christmas?
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I'm not a gambling man, but even I would take you up on that. In the best possible scenario I could imagine, we'll be slowly getting back to normality by that time, but the effects will last for years.

Your constant "It's not as bad as they're making out" attitude has a certain amount of logic to it (however small) but there's optimism and then there's downright blind ignorance, and this seems to be getting perilously close to the latter.
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Funny, I was just thinking of starting a discussion on this topic

I think you're right, this will turn out to be the be biggest sociopolitical and economic event of our lifetimes.

Till now the biggest event of my lifetime was when Armstrong stepped on the moon.

This here will be soon fast be forgotten.

Like battles in the Middle East. When the last shell has fallen the market springs back to life.
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