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Old 06.04.2020, 14:27
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Re: Keir Starmer elected as new Labour Leader

At least he

1) admits Labour und Corbyn had an antisemitism problem
2) he has promised to put an end to it.
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The lack of PPE is appalling. It should be criminal negligence. My friend works in a pretty famous hospital. She attending a meeting last week. Masks were mandatory. When they got there, big sign on meeting room door read "You must all supply your own masks for this meeting". There were none. She has none.
Yes, indeed, all those NHS Trust procurement departments should be held accountable!

They won't though, far easier to just blame the Tories
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The tide will turn when people realise that 1000s of deaths were preventable, including that of doctors, nurses and carers on the front line

https://www.facebook.com/alan.todd.7...6695449206652/

This guy is not some ranting left-wing Labourite- but the Head of the Lancet Medical Publication, an association which is traditionally more conservative than the BMJ. (British Medical Journal). Established in 1823: ''The Lancet is considered an authoritative voice in global medicine, with 1.8 million registered users worldwide. ... Only 5% of submitted manuscripts accepted for publication in the Lancet family of nine general medicine specialty journals. Research published in The Lancet is considered ethical and credible.''
We were all waiting for the tide to turn over Brexit too!

Most people realise that the Coronavirus is an international crisis, and not a time for cheap political points scoring. Normal people come together in such times.

Labour lost the last election because they were completely out of touch with their working class heartlands. They've now elected a privately educated, failed Crown prosecutor, knight of the realm, London-based REMAINER to win back those lost seats. Needless to say, it won't work.
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They've now elected a privately educated, failed Crown prosecutor, knight of the realm, London-based REMAINER to win back those lost seats. Needless to say, it won't work.

You forgot 'multi-millionaire, human rights lawyer'.
The same traits that endeared Cherie into the nation's hearts.
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Re: Keir Starmer elected as new Labour Leader

It's very 'easy' for anyone with a good career who owns a house in London to be a 'millionaire' ... Anyhow, what is wrong with being a millionaire- Corbyn's assets were worth a lot more.

'' “My dad worked in a factory, he was a toolmaker, and my mum was a nurse, and she contracted a very rare disease early in her life that meant she was constantly in need of NHS care.

“So, actually, my background isn’t what people think it is - I know what it’s like.

“I actually never had been in any workplace other than a factory until I left home for university. I'd never been in an office.

"So the idea that somehow I personally don't know what it's like for people across the country in all sorts of different circumstances is just not borne out."

Your idea of being a Labour member is totally outdated. If traditonally Labour voting people from industries and areas severely affected by all sorts of drastic issues, can vote for someone with the background of Boris Johnson- they can vote for Starmer- especially when they realised they have been lied to in the most dreadful, cavalier manner. No?
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Your idea of being a Labour member is totally outdated. If traditonally Labour voting people from industries and areas severely affected by all sorts of drastic issues, can vote for someone with the background of Boris Johnson- they can vote for Starmer- especially when they realised they have been lied to in the most dreadful, cavalier manner. No?

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Old 06.04.2020, 15:53
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personal protective equipment. It's become really hip to call it PPE in the media. Also uses fewer characters when typing.
So, condoms and motorcycle leathers then.

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Old 06.04.2020, 16:08
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The tide will turn when people realise that 1000s of deaths were preventable, including that of doctors, nurses and carers on the front line
Almost all deaths are preventable -- with hindsight. If only we... hadn't taken that journey... smoked so much... eaten all the wrong foods... been so careless with that chain-saw... forgotten to have the car serviced... met that person and caught something from them... had a medical as soon as the pain started... the list is endless.

There are many people now saying that 'if only' we had stockpiled PPE and masks and ventilators and testing kits.... then the UK wouldn't be in this mess. Well, that's undeniably true. But I heard no clamour for it then. What marvellous hindsight memories critics of the government are cultivating. We're also being incredibly selective. 'If only we did what Germany did'. 'Why aren't we ignoring social distancing like the Swedes?' If only we'd cracked down really hard like China did', and so it goes on and on. The weird thing is that virtually ALL countries are saying something similar about others.

Time plays tricks. It was only 3 weeks ago last Wednesday that millions of us watched on TV as Liverpool played Athletico Madrid at a packed-out Anfield. Nothing was said about the virus, as I recall. That week, we had visitors from the UK, one of whom works in hospital admin. They were very keen for us to drive down to northern Italy, just a few miles over the border, for a meal. We didn't do so, not because we were shocked at the suggestion of going to Italy that week, but because we read an apologetic advisory saying that we shouldn't go unless our journey was necessary. We didn't feel that we'd dodged a bullet, we felt a bit annoyed at not being able to go. Instead, we spent the week travelling round Switzerland, eating in restaurants, visiting bars and museums, without at any point thinking this was a bad idea. The topic of Covid 19 was hardly raised, and certainly not in relation to the UK --"I hope we go into lockdown straightaway" wasn't something I recall hearing.

Now of course, we look back and think how naive we were. Why weren't we shut away back then? Why weren't we manically manufacturing ventilators and masks, and piling up PPE?

In the UK at least, it was only after the football authorities followed the lead of the Italian and Spanish, and cancelled the entire football programme, that people started to sit up and take note. And it was only then that we started to have daily briefings from politicians in every country.

Instead of pulling together and trying to work out how best to support each other and get through this, some people just can't wait to play the blame game. We had Alan Johnson, ex-Labour Health Minister, moralising at the weekend that the threat of a pandemic was at the top of his list back in 2010. Maybe it was, but how much PPE and masks were stockpiled as a result? None. He was going on about having learnt the lessons of SARS and Bird Flu, but crucially, there are treatments for those viruses. SARS never even made it out of China in any significant way.

The closest we come to a comparison is Spanish Flu in the post-WW1 period, more than 100 years ago. Yes, maybe all governments across the world since then should have been building stockpiles of preventative measures just in case this year would be the year of another global pandemic. But we didn't because it never was. None of us did.

But don't let that stop people moralising that if only... if only Corbyn had won the election in December, we'd be smugly chortling at the rest of the world from our mountains of PPE and masks and toilet rolls. No. I don't believe that.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
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Old 06.04.2020, 17:27
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Great news, and very convincing majority.
Who?

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Sigh.

She's a nurse. Nurses wear masks too.
Well the point is if they were front line staff they would have had masks, if they were paper pushing management then they should;d have had the meeting on Zoom.

Good attempt of scoring a point, however it seems to have been an utter fail on this very rare occasion.
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It's very 'easy' for anyone with a good career who owns a house in London to be a 'millionaire' ... Anyhow, what is wrong with being a millionaire- Corbyn's assets were worth a lot more.

'' “My dad worked in a factory, he was a toolmaker, and my mum was a nurse, and she contracted a very rare disease early in her life that meant she was constantly in need of NHS care.

“So, actually, my background isn’t what people think it is - I know what it’s like.

“I actually never had been in any workplace other than a factory until I left home for university. I'd never been in an office.

"So the idea that somehow I personally don't know what it's like for people across the country in all sorts of different circumstances is just not borne out."

Your idea of being a Labour member is totally outdated. If traditonally Labour voting people from industries and areas severely affected by all sorts of drastic issues, can vote for someone with the background of Boris Johnson- they can vote for Starmer- especially when they realised they have been lied to in the most dreadful, cavalier manner. No?
It's not his wealth, or who is parents are, or where he comes from (surely Boris winning Blyth demonstrates this) it's his values. They appeal to a pretty narrow segment of the population which labour is already winning. They appeal to the type of people who live in Primrose Hill.

Your point about "being lied to" comes from a very particular perspective. Regarding Brexit, northerners (of which I am one) do, in the round, feel lied to not by the Tories but by labours promise to honour the election result given that labours policy appeared to be a referendum between remain and remain in name only. You only need to look at the election results to see that.

Having said all this Starmer is a very bright chap and perhaps he will head in this direction. It'd be tough to take the parliamentary party with him though so I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm not making the above point in a party political way - numerous northern and north midlands labour MPs were screaming at the party to move this way prior to 2019 and they were totally ignored.

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You don't think Brexit was a tribal issue? Really?
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Unless our definitions of the word tribal differ wildly then no. No I don't. It was an "Empire throwback" issue, a xenophobia issue... like I said, if truly "tribal " then Labour strongholds like Bolsover wouldn't have switched sides.

Am also a Northerner. I feel lied to by the Tories, as do many, many others.
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Yes, indeed, all those NHS Trust procurement departments should be held accountable!

They won't though, far easier to just blame the Tories
Where did I blame the Tories? Mind you, who has been allocating NHS budgets...?
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Well the point is if they were front line staff they would have had masks, if they were paper pushing management then they should;d have had the meeting on Zoom.

Good attempt of scoring a point, however it seems to have been an utter fail on this very rare occasion.
Point scoring is the game you play.

She is front line. They ran out of masks.

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They appeal to the type of people who live in Primrose Hill.
well he got over 50% of the vote - do they all live on Primrose Hill?
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well he got over 50% of the vote - do they all live on Primrose Hill?
Don't waste your breath, Odile. It's the blinkered old boys club again.
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Re: Keir Starmer elected as new Labour Leader

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Re: Keir Starmer elected as new Labour Leader

Let him stand the test of time and see if were still saying the same things about him in say, three years time .

The EF crowd are quick to bolster up heroes and then quietly drop them again
. Remember the enthusiasm about Thidjane Thaime?

Labour have had some very good leaders in their time and also a good many lousy ones . Its still early days.
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Re: Keir Starmer elected as new Labour Leader

Excellent newbie groanage Scarfie. If indeed you are a newbie...

Anything concrete to contribute or are we just heckling from a distance?
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Some of these 'newbies' do seem to be VERY familiar for sure hmmm
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