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Old 23.05.2020, 19:23
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

I still remember the morning my best friend called me, in tears, to tell me that her husband's best friend had just died the night before while riding his motorcycle. I had met the guy a few times and he seemed like such a sweet person. So sad. He was wearing a helmet.
A few years later, while driving down the road in Seattle, I saw a guy get decapitated while on his bike. A car had hit him from behind, he flew off and his neck hit a metal railing. He was also wearing a helmet.
There is no way in hell I would ever get on one of those or allow my son to have one. Everyone assumes they're safe, until they aren't, I guess.
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

To each their own. I ride bikes and drive cars for both commuting and leisure, and genuinely believe there's a place for both vehicle types on public roads. Having said that, I'm all in favour of loudness regulation and strict ban enforcement on engines exceeding a sensible decibel threshold (especially in residential areas).
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Old 23.05.2020, 20:25
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

Regarding Harleys or tuned Audis, there is no technological need for any vehicle to be so noisy, just the private pleasure of the driver. I find it unfair. It's my problem as long as those vehicles are legal, but if they ever approve stricter laws against car and motorcycle noise I would be more than happy.
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Old 23.05.2020, 20:55
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There is no way in hell I would ever get on one of those or allow my son to have one. Everyone assumes they're safe, until they aren't, I guess.
And I would never let my kids drive a car until they had mastered a motorcycle.

And people get decapitated in car accidents too, happened to my mother's cousin.

Most biker friends died of cancer or heart attacks, only two on a bike. In 50 years.

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Old 23.05.2020, 21:57
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Regarding Harleys or tuned Audis, there is no technological need for any vehicle to be so noisy, just the private pleasure of the driver.
Same with loud 'performance' exhausts for motorbikes. Often they impede performance on a stock bike- causing a loss in HP, more fuel consumption, etc. and of course create more noise.
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Old 24.05.2020, 13:50
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It‘s frankly madness that we can stride two wheels and a powerful engine with little more than gloves and helmet as protection...
Any muppet throwing a leg over a bike with just that, does deserve to be an organ donor, sooner rather than later, and hopefully without physically hurting others.

Years ago when I started riding, an A&E nurse friend of mine went to great lengths to describe how they hacked off clothes and wire brushed out the road gravel from biker injuries. I already had a healthy respect for this mode of transport having lost mates from bike accidents before I started riding, but that A&E nurse put the fear of god into me!

So regardless of heat, you'll always find me with a least kevlar woven jeans, full motorcycle jacket with back and elbow protectors, and decent armored boots in addition to my helmet and armored gloves. Unfortunately I have "come a cropper" a couple of times in all these years, once was my fault entirely, the other was a complete blindside out of my control entirely - in both instances my gear saved me.

For sure, there's not enough gear to save anyone who goes over a cliff or head-on with a truck, but hey, being in a car then wouldn't help either!
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And I would never let my kids drive a car until they had mastered a motorcycle.
I agree. If you learn to ride properly, you get an insane awareness for everything around you, and develop a level of defensive driving that isn't usual for the average car driver. As a good biker, you know that single time you get on 2 wheels, there's a chance that some idiot out there could take you out, and you ride accordingly.

Unlike the average car driver who is frequently oblivious to all other traffic around them, in the "security" of a metal bubble whilst they zoom from point A to B surrounded by distractions of radio/passengers/aircon/phone etc.

I always say that the risk of me riding on a bike isn't going to be the accident that I caused, but the one that some other less experienced biker or car driver will cause upon me.....and so I ride with an acute level of awareness to stop the chances of that happening.

I also only ride when I know I am bringing my "A game" - and whilst I'd like to state that I do that also in my 4 wheel vehicles....it unfortunately isn't true.

I think everyone has horror stories of motorcycle accidents though and I understand the folks who just don't like that level of risk, even if there are measures to be taken to mitigate those...
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Old 24.05.2020, 17:21
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

I'm sorry, but it doesn't make any sense to me to put a 16-year old kid (or whatever) on a motorcycle to learn how to drive rather than in a car, which is much more protective and has airbags, etc.

"Per vehicle miles traveled, motorcyclists are about 28 times more likely than people in passenger cars to die in a traffic crash."

https://www.nhtsa.gov/road-safety/motorcycle-safety
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Old 24.05.2020, 17:31
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

You know what they say about guys with fast cars and loud bikes..
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Old 24.05.2020, 18:04
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You know what they say about guys with fast cars and loud bikes..
I know what somebody already suggested earlier in the thread, but I can tell you that it's not true...
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I know what somebody already suggested earlier in the thread, but I can tell you that it's not true...

You mean that they are not pussy magnets?
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You mean that they are not pussy magnets?
You think their shoe size is?

(I can't believe the nanny filter let you write that)

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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

Seems like the subject divides, for sure. I have mixed feelings- I remember seeing my brother on his hospital bed in Lausanne- a plaster and metal frame trying to hold the bits of his cranium and face together - and he unable to talk and feeding from a straw for weeks - he was never the same. He was going too fast, and the old man in his car cut his path and he hit the middle of the car between the windows with his head- had helmet on, but in the 60s, not tied under his chin ... perhaps it wouldn't have made any difference.

I took my motorcycle licence whilst he was still in hospital - in snow and ice in Neuchâtel. No motorcycle, but my older brother's Lambretta. had to abandon it in a small village on way home as snow up to middle of wheels, and hitch hike home.

Never put me off bikes - but I can truly understand the noise issue. Here we get big groups doing cross border trips every nice sunny week-end- but the road is 500m from us- with massive trees between, so the noise is fine. However, my friends in Charmey live just above the road- and the Jaun Pass route is a massive favourite with bike groups- 10, 20 and more bikes together- and all with huge noisy pots- from 7am to 11pm - it is non stop from Easter to end October- day in, day out. You can't hear yourself think, read or listen to birds. So I can see both sides. The house is lovely, the views are amazing, the rent is relatively low (we know why) and they can't even see the road- but the noise is incredible.
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Old 24.05.2020, 18:27
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

I'm also not into loud bikes... but never understood why for some reasons noise regulations dont apply to (Italian) sports cars. Because if for some reason they are allowed to make noise, then bikes should be too. Or is this a case of some are more equal than others ?
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Old 24.05.2020, 18:30
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

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Me too. I rode for over thirty years, eventually on >250kph sportsbikes, and loved it, up until the moment when I came just a few inches away from dying (I was spat off the bike and inpacted the crash barrier with my back - had I been slightly higher in the air it would have been my head, which probably wouldn't have remained attached).

So for me I decided that continuing to ride was not going to happen, but I absolutely understand why others would not feel that way. Thing is, riding slowly, getting a cruiser, other remedies people suggested, would just not have worked - it was always about the speed, and always would be.

On the other hand I absolutely cannot agree with those people suggesting that it's foolhardy and dangerous - yes, I used to ride like a twat; yes, it was always a test of skill; yes, I finally found my limits; no, I don't think that should stop anyone else from making their own choices.
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Me too. I rode for over thirty years, eventually on >250kph sportsbikes, and loved it, up until the moment when I came just a few inches away from dying (I was spat off the bike and inpacted the crash barrier with my back - had I been slightly higher in the air it would have been my head, which probably wouldn't have remained attached).

So for me I decided that continuing to ride was not going to happen, but I absolutely understand why others would not feel that way. Thing is, riding slowly, getting a cruiser, other remedies people suggested, would just not have worked - it was always about the speed, and always would be.

On the other hand I absolutely cannot agree with those people suggesting that it's foolhardy and dangerous - yes, I used to ride like a twat; yes, it was always a test of skill; yes, I finally found my limits; no, I don't think that should stop anyone else from making their own choices.
There are old bikers and reckless bikers but there are no old and reckless bikers.
Just today I went on a ride out with a few colleagues from work, about 15 all in all. Not far, up to the Altmühltal and back.
Of course one of them comes on a Harley that you can hear long before you can see it and the rest are on assorted bikes. Some ride fast, some ride slow (like me) I had to think of this thread as we were riding through the villages along the way.

By the way it doesn´t seem that there is a collective noun for a group of bikes.
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

Agreed Ace- which is why I have mixed feelings, and for me it is about large groups with noisy pumped up bikes and some areas, day in, day out.

Forgot to mention a friend of oldest daughter- aged 19- coming home one night in countryside, when a car coming the other way cut the corner too- his arm was severed and it flew to the nearby cemetary. Heard the other day he is still a very keen biker. And twin neighbours- one twin overtook a lorry and other followed and didn't make it - killed by a lorry right behind our house. Yes, speed and adrenalin, and youth - can be a deadly mix. But I get it- totally.
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

Why buy a Harley? You can get a lawn mower much cheaper. Same noise, no controls going round and round your garden. Your neighbours will surely understand
If teenagers have to listen to their music over earphones, why not the same system for harleys: an ebike with bluetooth earphones as standard and a soundtrack to match the route?
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I'm sorry, but it doesn't make any sense to me to put a 16-year old kid (or whatever) on a motorcycle to learn how to drive rather than in a car, which is much more protective and has airbags, etc.
No airbags nor seatbelts when I learnt to drive a car.

Learning on a bike makes you much much more aware of what's going on around you.

Better to learn on a bike that a car.

I will happily pay for bike and lessons on such, NOT for a car.

Anyone who relies on airbags and such is an idiot, you should always drive as if you have none!

Anyone who drives thinking otherwise deserves to die.

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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

Sunday evening, clear skies but a little chilly. Regardless set the table for dinner on our terrace. Nice bottle of wine, nothing special but an Argentinian Merlot.

Enjoying the ambiance with my lovely bride and ...

On the A1 750m away a hoard, probably 10-15, of screaming motorbikes well exceeding the limit, just after the fixed radar. Took a couple of minutes to pass. Then some wanker on a Harley sound-a-like decides he is going to roar up and down the farmers roads behind our village.

Why? Really Why?
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