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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

Cars, bikes, trucks, bicycles...got the t-shirt for them all.

I've got no problem with noise compliant motorbikes, but I do have a beef with the non-compliant ones. I do a lot of cycling up mountain passes, and the deafening noise of some bikes in in itself nearly forces you off the road or freaks you out. Very unpleasant and anti-social.

Amusing to me is always reaching said pass top and seeing these guys congratulating each other on the "effort" to reach the top. The average fitness of these guys indicates they should be doing more cycling! :-P
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Old 24.05.2020, 22:14
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Anyone who relies on airbags and such is an idiot, you should always drive as if you have none!

Anyone who drives thinking otherwise deserves to die.

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And anyone who smokes is an idiot too but I don't think they deserve to die.
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Old 24.05.2020, 23:36
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Sunday evening, clear skies but a little chilly. Regardless set the table for dinner on our terrace. Nice bottle of wine, nothing special but an Argentinian Merlot.

Enjoying the ambiance with my lovely bride and ...

On the A1 750m away a hoard, probably 10-15, of screaming motorbikes well exceeding the limit, just after the fixed radar. Took a couple of minutes to pass. Then some wanker on a Harley sound-a-like decides he is going to roar up and down the farmers roads behind our village.

Why? Really Why?
You have to see it differently. A motorbike passing at speed is a perfect example of the doppler-effect, a physic classic.
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Old 25.05.2020, 00:07
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You have to see it differently. A motorbike passing at speed is a perfect example of the doppler-effect, a physic classic.
But how does knowing that it's due to the doppler effect make it any less annoying?
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

But are the riders hearing a doppler effect? More like they hate the sound so much they are trying to outrun the noise.

Another wanker roared through our village at 6h15 this morning.
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But are the riders hearing a doppler effect? More like they hate the sound so much they are trying to outrun the noise.

Another wanker roared through our village at 6h15 this morning.
YEs. Motorbikes are the devils work. Ban them.
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YEs. Motorbikes are the devils work. Ban them.
No, ban their noise. Base their road tax on the actual sound level they produce with punitive amounts for higher levels.

Same for cars and trucks.
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Old 25.05.2020, 09:41
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

No need for regulations, the average HD customer age never stopped growing since the 70s. You may thanks us millenials for letting it go bankrupt

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Old 25.05.2020, 10:39
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No, ban their noise. Base their road tax on the actual sound level they produce with punitive amounts for higher levels.

Same for cars and trucks.
In another 20 years they will all be electric and silent...
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Old 25.05.2020, 10:56
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No need for regulations, the average HD customer age never stopped growing since the 70s. You may thanks us millenials for letting it go bankrupt

I bought one a few years ago, and I'm very much in the millenial age range. It was fun for a while but I traded it for something German that can go around corners without scraping, something that doesn't overheat in traffic or need the head replaced after 20k. The thing is a lot of non bike people really liked it, I had a lot of people commenting on it, compared to my new machine.

As for the noise issue, I enjoy the noise of bikes, helicopters, airplanes and powerful cars. Although I can understand how it could be annoying if constant. There's no need to be loud in residential areas, and most machines now are tuned to only make the noise past a certain RPM. What I can't stand are the fart cans on some cars and bikes that are a constant rumble and asshats revving around the residential areas.
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Old 25.05.2020, 11:16
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In another 20 years they will all be electric and silent...
Yes and the rules and regulations will force them to have loudspeakers with user selectable motorbike noises because a silent vehicle is a deadly vehicle.
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Old 25.05.2020, 11:34
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I bought one a few years ago, and I'm very much in the millenial age range. It was fun for a while but I traded it for something German that can go around corners without scraping, something that doesn't overheat in traffic or need the head replaced after 20k. The thing is a lot of non bike people really liked it, I had a lot of people commenting on it, compared to my new machine.

As for the noise issue, I enjoy the noise of bikes, helicopters, airplanes and powerful cars. Although I can understand how it could be annoying if constant. There's no need to be loud in residential areas, and most machines now are tuned to only make the noise past a certain RPM. What I can't stand are the fart cans on some cars and bikes that are a constant rumble and asshats revving around the residential areas.
Noise is the sauce on top of the meat. Perfect pairing for good engines. https://www.roadandtrack.com/better-than-coffee/

I was driving with the roof down a few days ago. When I entered a tunnel, a guy in a Maserati next to me floored it down, made a lot of noise, a smoke cloud and.......he was still 20-30 meters away from me after the noise ended. Only sauce, no meat. A real car would have reached jail time speeds and disappeared behind the next turn in a matter of seconds. Maserati sedans 5-6 years old are not real cars.

Some motorbikes are as idiotic as Old Maseratis. The noise is what's left behind a fast vehicle. If you listen to it, turn your head and it is still there cruising....it's SLOW, the noise is unjustified and idiotic.
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Old 25.05.2020, 11:55
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Yes and the rules and regulations will force them to have loudspeakers with user selectable motorbike noises because a silent vehicle is a deadly vehicle.

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80 dB. That's approximately the noise emission of an electric passenger train rolling at 80 km/h: locomotive 84 dB, coaches 79 dB. Millions are spent to build barriers to isolate people from the noise of passing trains.



I should have the freedom to ride a motorbike noisier than a f***** train is a really hard sell.
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Old 25.05.2020, 12:04
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80 dB. That's approximately the noise emission of an electric passenger train rolling at 80 km/h: locomotive 84 dB, coaches 79 dB. Millions are spent to build barriers to isolate people from the noise of passing trains.



I should have the freedom to ride a motorbike noisier than a f***** train is a really hard sell.
How is that approximately the same?

Decibels are logarythmic... and measured at set distances. To put 80db into context, your dishwasher makes about 80dB of noise.

A food blender (88 dB) is 88dB for example.
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Old 25.05.2020, 12:16
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

I don't know the exact testing criteria for noise, but I from what I remember of a conversation with a Jaguar engineer it is tested at certain steady speeds. With gearing and a powerful motor you can sit at low revs and a high gear at 50 km/h or 130 km/h and be as quite as any other vehicle. Then when you give it some shoe you'll be beyond the noise limit.

Maybe they need to change the testing to include the engine under load, this would screw the auto boxes which drop cogs when under load, manuals can still fluff the tests by accelerating slowly in high gears.
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Old 25.05.2020, 12:22
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How is that approximately the same?

Decibels are logarythmic... and measured at set distances. To put 80db into context, your dishwasher makes about 80dB of noise.

A food blender (88 dB) is 88dB for example.

Trains and motorbikes are assessed with the same pass-by test. Microphones are placed 7.5 m at each side of the center line of the vehicle/track. The only difference is that motorbikes should pass with the throttle wide open at least 10 meters before and after the microphones.
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Yes and the rules and regulations will force them to have loudspeakers with user selectable motorbike noises because a silent vehicle is a deadly vehicle.
Poker card in the spokes?
Was out riding the other day and couldnt believe the number of cars out on the road. One after the other. Sometimes even a group of 10-20 cars all following their leader who thinks he is cooler than cool because he is driving a car that sounds and looks a lot like a farm tracktor. The nerve of some people.
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Re: Ban for motorbikes.

Whelp! It´s official, Austria (Tyrol) has banned loud bikes.
Won´t be long now before all bikes have been pussyfied.
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Whelp! It´s official, Austria (Tyrol) has banned loud bikes.
Won´t be long now before all bikes have been pussyfied.
Excellent!

Can't wait for that to happen here as well.
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Excellent!

Can't wait for that to happen here as well.
And a big BOO to you too Urs Max, there is no such thing as a loud bike, just tone deaf people with a throbbing hangover.
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