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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

As Tom posted, the reasons for the UK quarantine now are political and it is not enforceable. It will work only to reduce the number of travellers.
I generally support the lockdown measures, but the fear (we have a neighbour who hardly leaves the house even now) is not warranted by the risk (in Switzerland at least, in the UK I would be more careful than here) Seeing your grandchildren has to take priority. If, as you will, take precautions the risk to you personally will be minimal - as they say. the car-ride to the airport is probably still the most dangerous part of flying.
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Old 23.05.2020, 07:46
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Still a bit dodgy. March 2019.
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Sorry, Odile, I think I must have overlooked some part of what you were saying, the first time I read your posts about travelling. Oh, yes, now I get it. Thanks for the explanation.

You and OP do, indeed, face difficult decisions of the heart.
I made the same mistake as you did.
From the first post it seemed as though they were both going to be travelling and I was confused by the isolation on return to Switzerland part, it all became clearer once I realised that she was intending to travel alone.


I can totally understand her frustration. We have a son in the UK whose wife is expecting twins in July, we were planning to go over to help with the other kids (three kids of 5 and under) but that just won’t be possible unless things change before then. At the moment we have planned nothing and will play it by ear, we would drive there anyway so it can be a last minute thing.
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

For the things I like to do when traveling, it’s not safe anytime soon. (I love going to concerts, pubs, restaurants etc when abroad.) Also going through airport security, passport control etc was a minefield of germs before, can’t imagine what it would be like now.

All things considered, if my husband and I were proven to have already had the virus from the Roche antibody test, I’d be out there traveling & enjoying life as much as possible. Need to find a way to take it.
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

I thought I was being clever in January when Swiss had it's fantastic sale and so bought tickets to Chicago for March, April, May, October, November, and December.

And booked Robin into the Hundehotel in Germany, and scheduled the sitter to stay at my house with Hooligan and Heffalump.

Obviously March, Apri, and May travel didn't happen.

I could move the spring tickets to July or August - but dog care is not possible then and so neither is travel.

I can only hope that travel this fall is possible. Given the complete breakdown of rationality back home, however, I fear my upcoming tickets will coincide with a second wave. (Or civil unrest in November. )

I'm not worried about travel safety for myself, but the purpose of my travel is to see my 90 year old mother. And to take some of the responsibility off my brother's shoulders. Normally we share, but the virus has meant that the eldercare burden falls entirely on him, as the only family member who lives close by.

I guess I can just hope for the best, and prepare for the worst... as everyone else is doing these days.
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Sorry, Odile, I think I must have overlooked some part of what you were saying, the first time I read your posts about travelling. Oh, yes, now I get it. Thanks for the explanation.

You and OP do, indeed, face difficult decisions of the heart.
Yes, it is not about 'travelling' per se - but the pull of grandchildren is very strong. Thank goodness they came for half-term to ski with us. Brexit and Covid combined have totally destroyed the 'concept' of our move here 11 years ago - when we felt we would just be 'down the road' - short flight, or a day by train or car- and come ang go as we please and when we please. Daughters knew that in an emergency, we could the there in hours ... and vice-versa. And it has all changed. Why not move back to UK, some of you might say - and honestly, I wouldn't go back to live in UK at the moment - especially as when we get there, they might make the move here ... So no, don't feel safe to travel and it is very very unsettling - for reasons of the heart, as you say.

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Old 23.05.2020, 11:11
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As to "when do I feel safe about it", very unlike me, on this subject I will just take the government's view: When the borders are open again, I will cross them again as I only didn't 'cause I couldn't. I don't think the German corona is all that different from the Swiss one.
Dito. I go even further - I never felt unsafe and would've gone anywhere at any time if I had had the option - only reason I didn't were entry bans. And yes, I'd be wearing a mask on planes and such if that's a requirement. My travel are either worktrips or, if personal, road trips in a car leading to lots of outdoor exercising or beach vacations. I can distance all I want on the latter two, should I and everyone around me feel that's necessary, and the first one is currently not happening anyway.
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Old 23.05.2020, 12:03
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Dito. I go even further - I never felt unsafe and would've gone anywhere at any time if I had had the option - only reason I didn't were entry bans. And yes, I'd be wearing a mask on planes and such if that's a requirement. My travel are either worktrips or, if personal, road trips in a car leading to lots of outdoor exercising or beach vacations. I can distance all I want on the latter two, should I and everyone around me feel that's necessary, and the first one is currently not happening anyway.
Those masks are a killer. Even the simple ones get you all hot. I had to wear one the other week for an hour and boy, did I get rid of it fast after.
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Old 23.05.2020, 14:07
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

I guess it depends on how exactly I would be traveling. In a car, yes. But on a plane or train? No.

I think some people have it in their minds that because they haven't yet contracted the virus or become ill from it that that will always be the case, but that isn't necessarily so. It's still spreading like crazy throughout much of the world, and I think that if we ever really hope to get this thing behind us and stay there, then it's going to require a bit of sacrifice for a while.

According to Darwin's natural selection, "“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent; it is the one most adaptable to change.”
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Old 23.05.2020, 15:35
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...As to "when do I feel safe about it", very unlike me, on this subject I will just take the government's view: When the borders are open again, I will cross them again as I only didn't 'cause I couldn't. I don't think the German corona is all that different from the Swiss one. ...
+1. I have no fear for myself, only for those elderly or immuno-compromised I am close to. It's "easy" for me to make decisions about where to go and what to do. I really feel for people who want very much to spend time with family/friends yet it's not very practical or safe right now due to age or health conditions (or silly travel restrictions like the UK quarantine).
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

Probably summer and not by choice. Not sure how yet. Our symphonies got cancelled so no Royal Albert Hall nor Russia this year, but we will catch up next year.

In the meantime, nice to live in such a tourist destination that Switzerland is, it feels like a good opportunity to wander around and discover it, instead of a complete staycation.

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Old 23.05.2020, 17:02
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I guess it depends on how exactly I would be traveling. In a car, yes. But on a plane or train? No.

I think some people have it in their minds that because they haven't yet contracted the virus or become ill from it that that will always be the case, but that isn't necessarily so. It's still spreading like crazy throughout much of the world, and I think that if we ever really hope to get this thing behind us and stay there, then it's going to require a bit of sacrifice for a while.

According to Darwin's natural selection, "“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent; it is the one most adaptable to change.”
100% with you on this one.

I can't travel to my home country because I don't want to expose our older relatives.

I don't want to travel by plane because I don't want to expose ourselves and our kids either....I don't care about what they say about risk groups. I don't want to play with anyone's health, including ourselves. I remember I got chicken pox in my late twenties, it wasn't that bad as they say it can be when you're an adult, but stayed at home for some more days even after my skin was OK.
So...each to their own. Their lives, their conscience.

Btw, speaking of sacrifices. I adore flying and planes and gonna miss it, but things are how they are. Some more patience and "sacrifices" are needed, I think.

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Old 23.05.2020, 17:20
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

as soon as al the borders in Europe will be open, I will travel by car to visit family and friends back home in Croatia.
if the borders are open, we should use it. of course, taking into account to avoid risk group of people.
The good thing is, my most important people back home are not elderly or immuno-compromised.
the plane traveling probably not before 2021
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Old 23.05.2020, 17:25
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

One thing that I'm curious about is the safety of aircraft that have been 'parked up' for months. I'm no aviation expert, but would probably want to let planes fly for a few months before I set foot on one. That shouldn't be a problem as my company is not allowing travel until, at best, 31 August and no large meetings until 31 March.
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I plan to travel by car to my parents this summer, if possible.
Apart from that, I plan to spend the year in Switzerland. Actually, I don't have the feeling that I will miss anything this year. I like Switzerland and there are still plenty of places to discover.
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

As much as I would love to go visit family in the US, with the surge in cases there, I think it'd be best for me to stay put. My hope is sometime next year, but only time will tell. Until then, I'll enjoy being a grocery runner for my mother-in-law.
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When do you feel it's safe to travel abroad? I'm on a travel forum and people are literally yelling at anyone who is considering travelling abroad to stay home, even if the borders open up within Schengen or to non-Schengen visitors. Anything else is irresponsible.



Some posters state that travelling in a plane with multiple layovers will increase the risk of infection while others insist that travel will accelerate a second wave.


There's a lot of fear-mongering going around, especially among those 60+.


I personally feel that if borders are open and you don't mind adhering to the safety measures involved, than travel will be safe.



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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

olygirl, you didn't say, how do you intend to travel?
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

Small sidetrack: Anyone know if it’s possible for non-Schengen to travel to Schengen (anywhere is fine) if they are direct relatives (i.e. parents), from a country that allows visa-free travel and there’s a “valid” reason (whatever the hell that may mean exactly - but it wouldn’t be for tourism)? Not right now, but as of early June as borders open? I presume it’s not clear yet, but I can’t find conclusive information.
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Small sidetrack: Anyone know if it’s possible for non-Schengen to travel to Schengen (anywhere is fine) if they are direct relatives (i.e. parents), from a country that allows visa-free travel and there’s a “valid” reason (whatever the hell that may mean exactly - but it wouldn’t be for tourism)? Not right now, but as of early June as borders open? I presume it’s not clear yet, but I can’t find conclusive information.
Do you mean EU but not Shengen? At this point I'd say it's unclear either way, because even Shengen countries aren't letting each others' citizens travel freely. The agreement starting in June only covers a few countries. But things seem to change quickly.

Just a week or two ago, one of our EF members wanted to drive to Italy and bring back a parent. Both are EU citizens. At that time (and probably still now) the rule was/is the parent needs to be a dependent and have a pre-approved permit in order to be allowed entry into Switzerland.

I think there was another story of someone who is separated from his spouse and children right now because the he came here first to get settled. They had to stay in the UK because they don't have residency in Switzerland. Now the government is starting to process permits for EUs so hopefully they'll be reunited here soon.
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