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My son said people we’re wearing masks during the flight and when he arrived in Newark, they took his temperature and advised him to self-isolate for two weeks.

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Why self isolate? Temp to high? Be a bit more informative with your posts
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After arriving to the United States from one of these countries, CDC recommends that travelers stay home and monitor their health for 14 days.
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Old 27.05.2020, 11:07
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For what it's worth, I have cancelled my summer holidays planned for late July in Greece. I had already booked and paid 50% of my rental, which I will lose (Fr. 1200), but I was lucky to not have purchased or booked anything else (neither flights nor first night hotels, etc). I am not risking attending a beach with thousands of people from all over Europe, especially with my 2 youngest kids along with us. I'd rather miss one summer holiday, stay at home, and see howthe first year of this pandemic plays out, and will be the happiest guy in the world to see that I "wasted" Fr. 1200 because there's no such thing as a "second wave", if that's what turns out to occur.
Do you mean car rental? Depending on who you booked with, you might at least be able to get a voucher for that amount. We were able to get a voucher from AutoEurope that's valid for 3 years, anywhere, and for a value 10% over what we paid. That was good enough for us.
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After arriving to the United States from one of these countries, CDC recommends that travelers stay home and monitor their health for 14 days.
Olygirl, do you - or anyone else for that matter - know what happens if one is staying less than 14 days in the US? Is one allowed in for a shorter visit?
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Old 27.05.2020, 11:50
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Olygirl, do you - or anyone else for that matter - know what happens if one is staying less than 14 days in the US? Is one allowed in for a shorter visit?
I'd think so. It's not like they keep track of you (yet) once you're there.
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Old 27.05.2020, 11:56
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

I would worry more about where one is flying and CV numbers. Planning a short trip into an infected area might still be a risk, if their healthcare system is compromised. Or I'd worry about bringing the infection here, tbh.
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Olygirl, do you - or anyone else for that matter - know what happens if one is staying less than 14 days in the US? Is one allowed in for a shorter visit?

Sorry, Meloncollie. I have no idea but I know my son isn't being monitored in any way. In fact, since authorities are just recommending self-isolation, I agree with 3Wishes.


My son used a travel agency which made it much easier for him to map out his journey and the price wasn't higher than on the internet.
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Do you mean car rental? Depending on who you booked with, you might at least be able to get a voucher for that amount. We were able to get a voucher from AutoEurope that's valid for 3 years, anywhere, and for a value 10% over what we paid. That was good enough for us.
Actually for the first time ever we didn't book anything in advance except for the house itself. The idea was to fly to Crete, land really late so we'd stay overnight in Heraklion, and on the next day leave our lugagge at the hotel and go to Santorini for the day. When we returned in the evening, take a taxi all the way to our rental, some 50km away from Heraklion, on the south side of the island.

So we paid only for the house via AirBnB. We didn't book anything else: no flight, no Santorini boat tour, no hotels, no car rentals. We'll only lose the house reservation. I consider us very lucky about this (it would be a first-world problem otherwise, as we are all healthy so far).
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

I don't foresee us going anywhere 'new' - just visiting family and revisiting places by car throughout Europe that we know, love and feel comfortable in over the summer. Additionally barring anything unforeseen (touch wood) I don't see us getting on a plane anytime soon in my future - definitely not this year.

Thus we will drive to France to visit family in the Vosges as soon as the border opens which barring any last minute spike still looks likely to be 15th June onwards. The same goes for any cross border shopping but we might venture further into Germany than WT/Konstanz to avoid the crowds. We also plan to traverse the Italian/Swiss border once it opens up as we have a few favourite haunts far away from the madding crowd.
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There's a lot of fear-mongering going around, especially among those 60+.

I personally feel that if borders are open and you don't mind adhering to the safety measures involved, than travel will be safe.

What do you think?
From what I can see, few of my neighbours are adhering to any safety measures. We live in an area with many elderly empty nesters. On one side, they've been taking care of their grandkids in their summer home and at their home here since March. On the other side, she keeps having her church group over and she's over 80. One neighbour, also an elderly couple is being diligent and they said it was difficult not seeing their grandkids in person. We wave and talk to them from far away. One neighbour was an SVP candidate in the last votation and his family has been regularly having groups of people over since March, so I guess they don't see the irony of belong to a party saying foreigners are criminals at every turn when they can't even follow the rules.

When I last spoke to a colleague, she had just gone to see her elderly parent in palliative care in Germany. Nobody was social distancing at the airport in Zurich (everyone on the same tiny bus to the terminal, no masks on anyone, no hand sanitizer), but everything was strictly by the book in Germany with masks abound.

Given what I can see from my Zurich-adjacent mostly Swiss neighbourhood, nobody's taking this seriously at all.

I can't imagine any trip being enjoyable based on this. I guess I'd have to be drunk the entire time to not think about it, but then I could do that at home.
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So we paid only for the house via AirBnB. We didn't book anything else: no flight, no Santorini boat tour, no hotels, no car rentals. We'll only lose the house reservation. I consider us very lucky about this (it would be a first-world problem otherwise, as we are all healthy so far).
You might be able to get the money back—I had reserved an Airbnb here in Switzerland in March for my family's arrival from the US, which was obviously canceled. Due to extenuating circumstances Airbnb refunded me the 50% deposit I had paid despite normally that being "lost money" for me. Don't know if that policy has changed with the opening up of borders or not.

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From what I can see, few of my neighbours are adhering to any safety measures. We live in an area with many elderly empty nesters. On one side, they've been taking care of their grandkids in their summer home and at their home here since March. On the other side, she keeps having her church group over and she's over 80. One neighbour, also an elderly couple is being diligent and they said it was difficult not seeing their grandkids in person. We wave and talk to them from far away. One neighbour was an SVP candidate in the last votation and his family has been regularly having groups of people over since March, so I guess they don't see the irony of belong to a party saying foreigners are criminals at every turn when they can't even follow the rules.

When I last spoke to a colleague, she had just gone to see her elderly parent in palliative care in Germany. Nobody was social distancing at the airport in Zurich (everyone on the same tiny bus to the terminal, no masks on anyone, no hand sanitizer), but everything was strictly by the book in Germany with masks abound.

Given what I can see from my Zurich-adjacent mostly Swiss neighbourhood, nobody's taking this seriously at all.

I can't imagine any trip being enjoyable based on this. I guess I'd have to be drunk the entire time to not think about it, but then I could do that at home.
I've definitely seen the two extremes here, be it among Swiss or immigrants like us. There are those who don't take this seriously at all and those who go way overboard and are living in fear. I have rarely seen a balanced approach. We're trying our best to stay balanced and pragmatic, though I admit the past two weeks we have gotten so sick of the whole thing it's tempting to throw care to the wind, especially since we've most likely had it, though without testing having been available to us there's obviously no way to know for sure.
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You might be able to get the money back—I had reserved an Airbnb here in Switzerland in March for my family's arrival from the US, which was obviously canceled. Due to extenuating circumstances Airbnb refunded me the 50% deposit I had paid despite normally that being "lost money" for me. Don't know if that policy has changed with the opening up of borders or not.
So far they are only refunding reservations made until the 30th of June (mine was for mid July). I am monitoring it.
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After arriving to the United States from one of these countries, CDC recommends that travelers stay home and monitor their health for 14 days.
Well you could have said that instead of overreacting
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and what is planned for the UK too.
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I've definitely seen the two extremes here, be it among Swiss or immigrants like us. There are those who don't take this seriously at all and those who go way overboard and are living in fear. I have rarely seen a balanced approach. We're trying our best to stay balanced and pragmatic, though I admit the past two weeks we have gotten so sick of the whole thing it's tempting to throw care to the wind, especially since we've most likely had it, though without testing having been available to us there's obviously no way to know for sure.
I guess for me to enjoy a walk in the park or consider a holiday in Switzerland, I would need people to take this more seriously. I take care to follow up on the rules. I'm in a high risk family. I would appreciate the same in return, but I've noticed most people just don't care. It's almost Darwinian. So I've thrown up my hands and bought a threadmill instead of going out.
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Given what I can see from my Zurich-adjacent mostly Swiss neighbourhood, nobody's taking this seriously at all.
Ditto here in Ausserschwyz.

A month ago a good number of people were acting conscientiously. Some wore masks, many kept to social distance, most were careful to use disinfectant on entering a store.

Now there is almost no compliance whatsoever. People congregate in larger groups, ignore the disinfectant, stand right on top of you in lines, masks are rare, and the three kisses greeting is back again.

Indeed, there even seems to be some 'compliance shaming' going on. Some people, largely younger folks, now openly mock anyone trying to keep to recommended measures.

It's disheartening.
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I guess for me to enjoy a walk in the park or consider a holiday in Switzerland, I would need people to take this more seriously. I take care to follow up on the rules. I'm in a high risk family. I would appreciate the same in return, but I've noticed most people just don't care. It's almost Darwinian. So I've thrown up my hands and bought a threadmill instead of going out.
I think a lot of people still adhere to the rules/advice. Where I live people are still very cautious
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I guess for me to enjoy a walk in the park or consider a holiday in Switzerland, I would need people to take this more seriously. I take care to follow up on the rules. I'm in a high risk family. I would appreciate the same in return, but I've noticed most people just don't care. It's almost Darwinian. So I've thrown up my hands and bought a threadmill instead of going out.
Hope you and your threadmill will be happy together
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Sorry, Meloncollie. I have no idea but I know my son isn't being monitored in any way. In fact, since authorities are just recommending self-isolation, I agree with 3Wishes.


My son used a travel agency which made it much easier for him to map out his journey and the price wasn't higher than on the internet.
May I ask- does he live there, or has he just gone for a holiday?
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