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Old 27.05.2020, 20:55
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I think a lot of people still adhere to the rules/advice. Where I live people are still very cautious
Same here.
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

Of course I am sure you are all aware of Berset's announcement today re loosening of measures. Friends came for coffee this afternoon - first time we have had visitors since 16th of March - sitting outside in the garden. She said her daughter went to MaladiŤre shopping centre, and it was busy and no-one was self-distancing or wearing masks.
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Old 28.05.2020, 08:08
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I'd think so. It's not like they keep track of you (yet) once you're there.
But what if he gets stopped by the police and they see he has been in the country less than 14 days coming from Europe ?

The police over there kills people for much less...
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Ditto here in Ausserschwyz.

A month ago a good number of people were acting conscientiously. Some wore masks, many kept to social distance, most were careful to use disinfectant on entering a store.

Now there is almost no compliance whatsoever. People congregate in larger groups, ignore the disinfectant, stand right on top of you in lines, masks are rare, and the three kisses greeting is back again.

Indeed, there even seems to be some 'compliance shaming' going on. Some people, largely younger folks, now openly mock anyone trying to keep to recommended measures.

It's disheartening.

I am finding the same and it seems to have coincided with the kids going back to school judging by the amount of mothers standing around in big groups no social distancing as they wait for their kids after school.

A friend took it extremely seriously at the beginning but she asked me the other day if I personally knew of anyone who had been sick or died from the virus. She said she didn't know of anyone and nor did anybody she asked so she now believes that it didn't really exist and was something just made up by the media to scare people
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There were not many people wearing masks thatís for sure but everyone was taking the social distancing very seriously when I was at MaladiŤre last Friday. It was fairly busy but I didnít feel uncomfortable there.
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Old 28.05.2020, 09:44
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I think a lot of people still adhere to the rules/advice. Where I live people are still very cautious
Distance, pretty much always around here.

Mask, some. I keep one in my pocket.

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We're trying our best to stay balanced and pragmatic, though I admit the past two weeks we have gotten so sick of the whole thing it's tempting to throw care to the wind, especially since we've most likely had it, though without testing having been available to us there's obviously no way to know for sure.
Same, totally sick of the whole thing and just spent the majority of our two week holiday (which was supposed to be abroad) in isolation. I very much likely had it and am trying to find out if I can take the Roche antibody test here in Switzerland - it is supposed to be almost 100% accurate:

https://diagnostics.roche.com/us/en/...in-the-us.html

I am at risk (asthma) and there's always the nagging thought in the back of my head the few times we've gone out for a drink etc.. My husband has nightmares and says he couldn't live with himself if us having a bit of fun killed me. It's not a healthy way to live...
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Same, totally sick of the whole thing and just spent the majority of our two week holiday (which was supposed to be abroad) in isolation. I very much likely had it and am trying to find out if I can take the Roche antibody test here in Switzerland - it is supposed to be almost 100% accurate:

https://diagnostics.roche.com/us/en/...in-the-us.html

I am at risk (asthma) and there's always the nagging thought in the back of my head the few times we've gone out for a drink etc.. My husband has nightmares and says he couldn't live with himself if us having a bit of fun killed me. It's not a healthy way to live...
Interesting, would be great if the antibody tests would get better. The data coming out of New York and other states like California suggest that many more people have had it than they realized. The military ships and cruise ships are interesting microcosms. Personally the data has convinced me that we all did a good job responding to something we didnít know anything about but now that we know more, we should get back to normal life with those who are most at risk or who are not willing to take the risk being given the possibility to work from home etc but that the rest of us can get on with our lives. My husband and I fall lightly into risk categories but we are fully aware that for life to go on we ALL have to be exposed to the virus, the key with lockdown was from the beginning to avoid overwhelming the medical system by flattening the curveónot to avoid infection altogether. We canít avoid infection altogether. We can only spread it out so that the hospital system can deal with it. And that is what we have done. Along the way, they have also learnt how better to treat those who do contract the virus.

Heck I know a young person extremely at risk but who canít keep doing this isolation thing and fully recognizes that the chances of dying in a car crash on the way to an event are higher than the chances of contracting and subsequently dying from this virus. Only the very very at risk can afford to wait this out for a vaccine, though even then itís good to remember that the yearly flu vaccine (a similar situation to any conceivable Coronavirus vaccine) doesnít actually have that much affect on the elderly population and itís efficacy can vary incredibly from year to year.

Anyway. Iím totally for people choosing to keep isolating, distancing etc if they feel itís necessary and of course those who are sick should stay home or get medical care when necessaryóin fact for any transmissible illness the sick should stay home!óbut I was very glad to hear of the ever-relaxing regulations announced yesterday. The economy and more importantly peopleís mental health cannot keep this going indefinitely. Iím much more willing to accept a few percentage points of death related to transmissible illnesses, something we deal with every year and is a sad part of reality yes but itís part of everyday life, than people attempting to take their own lives because they have had their livelihoods destroyed etc.
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Old 28.05.2020, 11:17
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

Yes, I get it. My ultra paranoid in laws have been isolated in the States since it spread past China. That means they haven't left their home since mid-February. They were not in the best mental health prior to this, I can't even imagine what it must be like now. Their children have given up trying to make them see things differently, but well - what can you do?

For me, I want to get out there and start living again. I am also happy to see the measures loosened because it seems that they actually worked. It is now almost Summer and the likelihood the virus could spread widely is minimal. I do foresee a second wave once the winter returns, there really is no question about that. At least we will know more about the disease and tracing/isolating it accordingly by then.

The only thing I'm still concerned about doing right now is taking my overcrowded train to work 3 hours everyday. I hardly ever get sick, and since I've been doing this commute for one year, I have been sick multiple times.
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

This summer I just plan to stay in Switzerland. Every summer I leave and go back home but this summer I will actually get to enjoy and discover the country. Try to do some hikes and make the most of it.

As for traveling to neighbouring countries, I may consider this (i.e. France or Italy) but really have to wait and see how things are going with the virus later this summer. Will try to avoid flights at all costs for now.
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A friend took it extremely seriously at the beginning but she asked me the other day if I personally knew of anyone who had been sick or died from the virus. She said she didn't know of anyone and nor did anybody she asked so she now believes that it didn't really exist and was something just made up by the media to scare people
I personally knew a few people who died in Canada, one was in a nursing home. In Switzerland, only two parents of friends I had never met.

A few people I know online, not irl (20s-40s, mostly healthy), colleagues in the same field, different companies, who live elsewhere (US, Norway, UK) are still living with crappy secondary effects and have no idea if or when they'll end.
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Old 31.05.2020, 19:35
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But what if he gets stopped by the police and they see he has been in the country less than 14 days coming from Europe ?

The police over there kills people for much less...
The police wouldn't know how long he'd been in the country unless he volunteered that information. Local cops don't have access to who has crossed the border recently.
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Same, totally sick of the whole thing and just spent the majority of our two week holiday (which was supposed to be abroad) in isolation. I very much likely had it and am trying to find out if I can take the Roche antibody test here in Switzerland - it is supposed to be almost 100% accurate:

https://diagnostics.roche.com/us/en/...in-the-us.html

I am at risk (asthma) and there's always the nagging thought in the back of my head the few times we've gone out for a drink etc.. My husband has nightmares and says he couldn't live with himself if us having a bit of fun killed me. It's not a healthy way to live...
I just had a look at the Roche site which has changed its information over the last few days - the old information said the 99.8% accuracy was to a subset of corona viruses that include cov -19 and exclude the common cold viruses. It did not say how big this subset is and how many false positives for cov-19 it would generate.

The bigger problem with the antibody test is that assuming you get a positive result, it is not clear what kind of immunity this transfers -there is so little data on this; but it is this point that interests you most as an individual.

I think the company is more concerned that health systems buy the test with the idea of being able to better estimate the infection rates in the population.

I am thinking of visiting my sister in upstate New York at the end of July. I kind of hope that the travel restrictions in place will make the decision for me.
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I am thinking of visiting my sister in upstate New York at the end of July. I kind of hope that the travel restrictions in place will make the decision for me.
If youíre a citizen you could go now no? We changed our tickets from NY (to visit extended family upstate) to visit my immediate family in the Midwest instead for mid July mainly because my extended family wasnít comfortable with it and because nothing was really going to be open and as much as we love each other, three weeks with nothing to do sounded a bit insanity-inducing. But we could technically have gone I think. Remains to be seen how quickly NY state will open up as I think I remember seeing that they plan to start deconfinement this week or next?
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But we could technically have gone I think. Remains to be seen how quickly NY state will open up as I think I remember seeing that they plan to start deconfinement this week or next?
Next week (8th)
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

Got a request from Swiss if I accepted for an itinerary change for my trip on the 1st week of July. Luckily, the change was only to leave Zurich 3 hours earlier. The flights are back!
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Got a request from Swiss if I accepted for an itinerary change for my trip on the 1st week of July. Luckily, the change was only to leave Zurich 3 hours earlier. The flights are back!
Just keep on eye on your email. They are regularly rescheduling and changing flights, had already 3 changed in July......
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

I have just arrived back from (an essential) 3 days in England. The flight in both directions was chock-a-block, and it was a larger wide-bodied plane. (A330?). I got emails from SWISS saying we had to have masks but onboard not everyone wore them. They did not serve food, but they did serve drinks.

I felt safe at ZŁrich airport, it was empty and lots of social distancing everywhere. But Heathrow was busy(ish) and distancing was not always carried out.
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I am at risk (asthma) and there's always the nagging thought in the back of my head the few times we've gone out for a drink etc.. My husband has nightmares and says he couldn't live with himself if us having a bit of fun killed me. It's not a healthy way to live...

So your husband has nightmares about you dying from covid but you guys still go out for a drink few times... interesting mix of priorities
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I have just arrived back from (an essential) 3 days in England. The flight in both directions was chock-a-block, and it was a larger wide-bodied plane. (A330?). I got emails from SWISS saying we had to have masks but onboard not everyone wore them. They did not serve food, but they did serve drinks.

I felt safe at ZŁrich airport, it was empty and lots of social distancing everywhere. But Heathrow was busy(ish) and distancing was not always carried out.
well, everybody want to avoid the gruelling 14 days of quarantine starting june 08 2020
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