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barkingtreewolf 07.06.2020 09:12

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Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 3188623)
well, everybody want to avoid the gruelling 14 days of quarantine starting june 08 2020


I need to move back home :( ... this will really screw things up! I've read it may be in place for too long (start July) so might not be too bad.

olygirl 07.06.2020 10:36

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America isn't opening up as fast as we had hoped. Many camping sites are still closed and, depending on the state, could be closed til July.

It's frustrating for those who are dependent on tourism.

Axa 12.06.2020 11:26

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As announced a few weeks ago, Swiss and Easyjet are restarting flights next Monday June 15th :D https://www.thelocal.ch/20200611/the...om-switzerland

axman 12.06.2020 12:50

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Not sure if this has been discussed - what about travel and health insurance. Are they maybe not valid in some countries? Say you travel out of Switzerland and get sick or have an accident.

Someone I know (not living here, but in almost a Corona free country) told me that even if she manages to get a flight out of her country, her travel and health insurance will not cover her for anything as long as her govt. discourages international travel.

curley 12.06.2020 21:29

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Originally Posted by axman (Post 3190393)
Not sure if this has been discussed - what about travel and health insurance. Are they maybe not valid in some countries? Say you travel out of Switzerland and get sick or have an accident.

Someone I know (not living here, but in almost a Corona free country) told me that even if she manages to get a flight out of her country, her travel and health insurance will not cover her for anything as long as her govt. discourages international travel.

As I see it, as long as the Swiss government does not stop us from leaving, the insurances have no legal grounds to refuse payment.
And even then - there is afaIk no "Grobfahrlässigkeit" (act of gross negligence) clause in the health insurance (there can be in accident insurances).

3Wishes 13.06.2020 10:41

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Originally Posted by curley (Post 3190542)
As I see it, as long as the Swiss government does not stop us from leaving, the insurances have no legal grounds to refuse payment.
And even then - there is afaIk no "Grobfahrlässigkeit" (act of gross negligence) clause in the health insurance (there can be in accident insurances).

I think some travel insurances have clauses about force majeure. Clearly the Corona situation fell under that in March-April-May. I wonder whether the current situation still falls under force majeure. It might, so before traveling I'd double-check the policy carefully.

grumpygrapefruit 15.06.2020 20:57

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The last few weeks I've been wanting to fly to NL to see my GF, I always felt it would be safe if you take basic precautions. This morning I finally managed it, got a 7.30 Swiss flight ZH - AMS. Airport was deserted, only about 30% of people wearing masks but the flight was packed and everyone had to.

What I find strange, and not just today, but over the last month or so, is the amount of wrong or conflicting advise from different agencies (just last week i read Dutch govt. advice for travellers, it said that in Switzerland you HAVE to wear a mask on public transport, otherwise you will be fined.

And this morning, as we were approaching Schiphol the Swiss cabin crew handed out Dutch govt questionnaires. We had to tick boxes about whether we had had a fever or sore throat etc in the last 48 hours. The form stated that if we ticked yes to any questions, we would not be able to board the flight!

Then another paper came around, again an official Dutch govt letter from early April stating that once we arrive in NL we have to self quarantine at home for 14 days, that regulation ended... maybe 2 weeks ago?

And of course, once we got to Schiiphol, there was no one to hand in these out of date forms!

greenmount 16.06.2020 07:30

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For those wishing to travel to one of the EU member countries (Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden)

European Commission has launched a site called Re-open EU where you can find relevant info re. travelling in this area. Info is available in 24 languages. :)

https://reopen.europa.eu/en

Phil_MCR 16.06.2020 11:59

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I think those that travel now are likely to be those who are more relaxed about covid and potentially would have taken fewer precautions. Multiply that by hundreds of people interacting with each other in airports, connecting flights and then being stuck with you for hours in a small enclosed space with recycled air - it seems to me to be a relatively high risk endeavour.

Then when everyone has had a chance to interact with new groups of people for 2 weeks, you get to do it all again on the return flight.

Treverus 16.06.2020 19:44

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Originally Posted by grumpygrapefruit (Post 3191294)
The last few weeks I've been wanting to fly to NL to see my GF, I always felt it would be safe if you take basic precautions. This morning I finally managed it, got a 7.30 Swiss flight ZH - AMS. Airport was deserted, only about 30% of people wearing masks but the flight was packed and everyone had to.

What I find strange, and not just today, but over the last month or so, is the amount of wrong or conflicting advise from different agencies (just last week i read Dutch govt. advice for travellers, it said that in Switzerland you HAVE to wear a mask on public transport, otherwise you will be fined.

And this morning, as we were approaching Schiphol the Swiss cabin crew handed out Dutch govt questionnaires. We had to tick boxes about whether we had had a fever or sore throat etc in the last 48 hours. The form stated that if we ticked yes to any questions, we would not be able to board the flight!

Then another paper came around, again an official Dutch govt letter from early April stating that once we arrive in NL we have to self quarantine at home for 14 days, that regulation ended... maybe 2 weeks ago?

And of course, once we got to Schiiphol, there was no one to hand in these out of date forms!

Wait till you see the difference between theory and reality in NL. I spent the last weekend in Amsterdam and was very surprised about the double standards - on the one hand did a restaurant we reserved call us up to double check if we are all from the same household and refused a table for people from two households... on the other side were bars and cafes open and FULL of people without masks and definitely no social distancing. The organized parties are canceled, but the beach clubs along the coast were overflowing with people.

Things that are standard in Germany- wearing a mask when shopping groceries- don’t happen at all. In a country that was hit by Corona quite badly. So I predict a second wave in autumn.

grumpygrapefruit 17.06.2020 09:24

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 3191570)
Wait till you see the difference between theory and reality in NL. I spent the last weekend in Amsterdam and was very surprised about the double standards - on the one hand did a restaurant we reserved call us up to double check if we are all from the same household and refused a table for people from two households... on the other side were bars and cafes open and FULL of people without masks and definitely no social distancing. The organized parties are canceled, but the beach clubs along the coast were overflowing with people.

Things that are standard in Germany- wearing a mask when shopping groceries- don’t happen at all. In a country that was hit by Corona quite badly. So I predict a second wave in autumn.

I'm in Arnhem further east and it seems to be much more controlled here - by venues but also by the public.

meloncollie 17.06.2020 09:45

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 3191465)
I think those that travel now are likely to be those who are more relaxed about covid and potentially would have taken fewer precautions. Multiply that by hundreds of people interacting with each other in airports, connecting flights and then being stuck with you for hours in a small enclosed space with recycled air - it seems to me to be a relatively high risk endeavour.

Then when everyone has had a chance to interact with new groups of people for 2 weeks, you get to do it all again on the return flight.

It's the Swiss side of travel that worries me most, as almost no one here takes precautions anymore. No masks, no social distancing and lots of mocking and shaming of the few people who do take precautions.

Believe it or not, once in the US I'll actually feel somewhat safer despite the total cluster**** that it is, as everyone I will interact with there wears masks, disinfects, keeps distance.

But given the common lack of concern here and thus the likelihood of a second wave, I am hesitant to travel to see my 90 year old mother until I can get tested to know (as best one can) what level of danger I present to her.

k_and_e 17.06.2020 09:47

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Originally Posted by grumpygrapefruit (Post 3191661)
I'm in Arnhem further east and it seems to be much more controlled here - by venues but also by the public.


This happened when reopening a cafe in the South of NL. I guess the Dutch are not so good in living the measures.

Treverus 17.06.2020 09:53

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Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 3191667)
This happened when reopening a cafe in the South of NL. I guess the Dutch are not so good in living the measures.

The friends I visited lived in the absolute center of Amsterdam. Although there were nearly no tourists around were the street cafes packed to the point that they said they have never seen their street as busy as last weekend. On the upside was it interesting to see a dead and closed red light district. It’s actually a beautiful area once you get rid of the drug dealer, hookers and drunk Brits.


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