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olygirl 22.05.2020 19:43

Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?
 
When do you feel it's safe to travel abroad? I'm on a travel forum and people are literally yelling at anyone who is considering travelling abroad to stay home, even if the borders open up within Schengen or to non-Schengen visitors. Anything else is irresponsible.



Some posters state that travelling in a plane with multiple layovers will increase the risk of infection while others insist that travel will accelerate a second wave.


There's a lot of fear-mongering going around, especially among those 60+.


I personally feel that if borders are open and you don't mind adhering to the safety measures involved, than travel will be safe.



What do you think?

Guest 22.05.2020 19:53

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Mass-travelling would be no problem if people would stick to the preventive measurements, however I have very low faith in humanity when it comes to such things, some will do perfect, others will screw it up.

Guest 22.05.2020 20:03

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Iam so furious - people have travelled to UK and UK residents have returned from all over the world from countries where Covid19 was very active. No checks, no leaflets, no announcement at UK airports- NOTHING. We have been in isolation since 16th of March and were hoping by the end of June we would be able to go and stay at our apartment and see the children and grandchildren...And today we are told we would ahve to self isolate in the flat for 14 days- and risk £1000 fine if we do not. And I suppose self isolate again for 14 days on return. I would have welcomed a this 2 months ago - but too late, too late - why now?

curley 22.05.2020 20:21

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Iam so furious - people have travelled to UK and UK residents have returned from all over the world from countries where Covid19 was very active. No checks, no leaflets, no announcement at UK airports- NOTHING. We have been in isolation since 16th of March and were hoping by the end of June we would be able to go and stay at our apartment and see the children and grandchildren...And today we are told we would ahve to self isolate in the flat for 14 days- and risk £1000 fine if we do not. And I suppose self isolate again for 14 days on return. I would have welcomed a this 2 months ago - but too late, too late - why now?
Why on return? :confused:
<<There is no quarantine requirement for travellers entering Switzerland who are free of symptoms of illness.>>

Jim2007 22.05.2020 20:30

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I don't intend to do any unnecessary travel for the foreseeable future. I would no enjoy it so there is no point.

blackbird 22.05.2020 20:31

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Originally Posted by olygirl (Post 3183823)
When do you feel it's safe to travel abroad? I'm on a travel forum and people are literally yelling at anyone who is considering travelling abroad to stay home, even if the borders open up within Schengen or to non-Schengen visitors. Anything else is irresponsible.



Some posters state that travelling in a plane with multiple layovers will increase the risk of infection while others insist that travel will accelerate a second wave.


There's a lot of fear-mongering going around, especially among those 60+.


I personally feel that if borders are open and you don't mind adhering to the safety measures involved, than travel will be safe.



What do you think?

The point is, that most borders are closed and that there are not many flights .
Currently in europe you can travel to sweden, uk, netherlands and portugal without quarantine .

NotAllThere 22.05.2020 20:33

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Well, the Falkland Islands have no cases, so they're probably ok. :rolleyes:

I do want to go to the UK as I have elderly parents. But otherwise, I'm holidaying in Switzerland.

Guest 22.05.2020 21:10

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Originally Posted by curley (Post 3183837)

Because I am over 65, and OH is over 70 and at very high risk - so would have to self isolate from him too.

curley 22.05.2020 21:22

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Because I am over 65, and OH is over 70 and at very high risk - so would have to self isolate from him too.
That would be your own decision. No "have to" here in Switzerland.

And if that's how strongly you feel about it - what are your arguing about? The less safe you feel about travelling the less desire you should have to do so?
Or are you just arguing that "they" (who ever that would be) have not eliminated this darn corona-thing yet? :D


As to "when do I feel safe about it", very unlike me, on this subject I will just take the government's view: When the borders are open again, I will cross them again as I only didn't 'cause I couldn't. I don't think the German corona is all that different from the Swiss one. :rolleyes:
Although, re the things I need to buy in Germany ('cause not available here), I'll give it about a month until all the shopping-locusts have gotten their stuff and I can do my thing in piece and quiet.

Island Monkey 22.05.2020 21:27

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Now, within reason..... obviously wouldn't go on a cruise.

Mad about the UK quarantine. Already delayed my March trip to beginning of August, but if quarantine still in place I won't be going.

blackbird 22.05.2020 21:34

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ivals-rail-sea

The plan about the uk qurantine is to stop the second wave, currently there is no other country in europe doing the same.
Most countries plan to ease border control, bring back the planes to restart the economy.

The quaratine for the uk should start june 08

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52544307
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/h...ll-uk-arrivals

There is no exemption for travellers /people of france as earlier intended:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52682411

st2lemans 22.05.2020 21:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by olygirl (Post 3183823)
When do you feel it's safe to travel abroad?

Last March.

Tom

st2lemans 22.05.2020 21:36

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Quote:

Iam so furious - people have travelled to UK and UK residents have returned from all over the world from countries where Covid19 was very active. No checks, no leaflets, no announcement at UK airports- NOTHING. We have been in isolation since 16th of March and were hoping by the end of June we would be able to go and stay at our apartment and see the children and grandchildren...And today we are told we would ahve to self isolate in the flat for 14 days- and risk £1000 fine if we do not. And I suppose self isolate again for 14 days on return. I would have welcomed a this 2 months ago - but too late, too late - why now?
Brexit.

Tom

Guest 22.05.2020 22:40

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Originally Posted by doropfiz (Post 3183868)
Irrespective of the rules and laws of any country, Odile, if your OH is at very high risk, why would he even, for one moment, be considering travelling? I'm sorry, I don't understand this part of your/his plans. Of course I can't know, but I think that, if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't want to risk it.

exactly, the reason why I intended to go on my own. So I would have to self isolate for 2 weeks in UK, and then not stay with daughter and grandchildren- and see one at a time outside (as per current UK rules) - then self isolate in our own home on return to protect OH.

Pachyderm 22.05.2020 23:06

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exactly, the reason why I intended to go on my own. So I would have to self isolate for 2 weeks in UK, and then not stay with daughter and grandchildren- and see one at a time outside (as per current UK rules) - then self isolate in our own home on return to protec OH.
The lockdown rules are frustrating for everyone, but it's how things are, and have been, for 2 or 3 months. There are many reasons why we'd like to travel to the UK at the moment but we're not even considering it. Even if the rules were relaxed I'd give it a miss. We're in the same age bracket as you.

If and when we do decide it's safe enough, we'll probably drive. If we load the car with enough food, get an early start and get to the French coast the same day, and take the Channel Tunnel, at least we can have minimal contact with others en route. But the hassle means we'll put it off as long as we need to. The idea of flying anywhere at the moment is a non-starter, quarantine or not.

stephen_NE 22.05.2020 23:11

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I will drive to Belgium for a few days as soon as it's allowed. Will take my own food and drink for the journey and will not be doing anything risky while I am there. It feels safe enough to me, the fact that it's Belgium rather than Switzerland doesn't make any difference to the risk.

The UK quarantine thing is ridiculous. I would have understood it in March, but why now?

Guest 22.05.2020 23:18

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Exactly - what makes things so difficult is also the combination of different rules for CH, FR and UK ... We normally drive- but it is too far for me to drive on my own, and I have got flights booked, already carried over from late March. So no, I won't go- but I find not seeing granchildren very very hard. We always felt here was just a short flight, train or drive away- and got so used to travel back and forth anytime we wanted.

Really don't fancy going back to UK to live at the moment- for sure. Especially as it is likely they will move here if and when the UK economy tanks. So- struggling at the mo to balance emotions.

So answer to OP, no don't feel safe. Not even in Switzerland, have cancelled our trip to Loèche(Leukerbad again- OH's safety comes first.

Jim2007 23.05.2020 00:07

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Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 3183866)
The plan about the uk qurantine is to stop the second wave, currently there is no other country in europe doing the same.

It’s a CTA quarantine, Ireland announced it several hours earlier than the UK and presumably the other members will do the same in the next few days.

KiwiSteve 23.05.2020 06:55

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As Tom posted, the reasons for the UK quarantine now are political and it is not enforceable. It will work only to reduce the number of travellers.
I generally support the lockdown measures, but the fear (we have a neighbour who hardly leaves the house even now) is not warranted by the risk (in Switzerland at least, in the UK I would be more careful than here) Seeing your grandchildren has to take priority. If, as you will, take precautions the risk to you personally will be minimal - as they say. the car-ride to the airport is probably still the most dangerous part of flying.

NotAllThere 23.05.2020 07:46

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3183869)
Last March.

Tom

Still a bit dodgy. March 2019.

Belgianmum 23.05.2020 07:53

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Originally Posted by doropfiz (Post 3183908)
Sorry, Odile, I think I must have overlooked some part of what you were saying, the first time I read your posts about travelling. Oh, yes, now I get it. Thanks for the explanation.

You and OP do, indeed, face difficult decisions of the heart.

I made the same mistake as you did.
From the first post it seemed as though they were both going to be travelling and I was confused by the isolation on return to Switzerland part, it all became clearer once I realised that she was intending to travel alone.


I can totally understand her frustration. We have a son in the UK whose wife is expecting twins in July, we were planning to go over to help with the other kids (three kids of 5 and under) but that just won’t be possible unless things change before then. At the moment we have planned nothing and will play it by ear, we would drive there anyway so it can be a last minute thing.

Susie-Q 23.05.2020 10:27

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For the things I like to do when traveling, it’s not safe anytime soon. (I love going to concerts, pubs, restaurants etc when abroad.) Also going through airport security, passport control etc was a minefield of germs before, can’t imagine what it would be like now.

All things considered, if my husband and I were proven to have already had the virus from the Roche antibody test, I’d be out there traveling & enjoying life as much as possible. Need to find a way to take it.

meloncollie 23.05.2020 10:55

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I thought I was being clever in January when Swiss had it's fantastic sale and so bought tickets to Chicago for March, April, May, October, November, and December.

And booked Robin into the Hundehotel in Germany, and scheduled the sitter to stay at my house with Hooligan and Heffalump.

Obviously March, Apri, and May travel didn't happen.

I could move the spring tickets to July or August - but dog care is not possible then and so neither is travel.

I can only hope that travel this fall is possible. Given the complete breakdown of rationality back home, however, I fear my upcoming tickets will coincide with a second wave. (Or civil unrest in November. :( )

I'm not worried about travel safety for myself, but the purpose of my travel is to see my 90 year old mother. And to take some of the responsibility off my brother's shoulders. Normally we share, but the virus has meant that the eldercare burden falls entirely on him, as the only family member who lives close by.

I guess I can just hope for the best, and prepare for the worst... as everyone else is doing these days.

Guest 23.05.2020 11:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by doropfiz (Post 3183908)
Sorry, Odile, I think I must have overlooked some part of what you were saying, the first time I read your posts about travelling. Oh, yes, now I get it. Thanks for the explanation.

You and OP do, indeed, face difficult decisions of the heart.

Yes, it is not about 'travelling' per se - but the pull of grandchildren is very strong. Thank goodness they came for half-term to ski with us. Brexit and Covid combined have totally destroyed the 'concept' of our move here 11 years ago - when we felt we would just be 'down the road' - short flight, or a day by train or car- and come ang go as we please and when we please. Daughters knew that in an emergency, we could the there in hours ... and vice-versa. And it has all changed. Why not move back to UK, some of you might say - and honestly, I wouldn't go back to live in UK at the moment - especially as when we get there, they might make the move here ... So no, don't feel safe to travel and it is very very unsettling - for reasons of the heart, as you say.

Samaire13 23.05.2020 11:11

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Originally Posted by curley
As to "when do I feel safe about it", very unlike me, on this subject I will just take the government's view: When the borders are open again, I will cross them again as I only didn't 'cause I couldn't. I don't think the German corona is all that different from the Swiss one. :rolleyes:

Dito. I go even further - I never felt unsafe and would've gone anywhere at any time if I had had the option - only reason I didn't were entry bans. And yes, I'd be wearing a mask on planes and such if that's a requirement. My travel are either worktrips or, if personal, road trips in a car leading to lots of outdoor exercising or beach vacations. I can distance all I want on the latter two, should I and everyone around me feel that's necessary, and the first one is currently not happening anyway.

curley 23.05.2020 12:03

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Originally Posted by Samaire13 (Post 3183948)
Dito. I go even further - I never felt unsafe and would've gone anywhere at any time if I had had the option - only reason I didn't were entry bans. And yes, I'd be wearing a mask on planes and such if that's a requirement. My travel are either worktrips or, if personal, road trips in a car leading to lots of outdoor exercising or beach vacations. I can distance all I want on the latter two, should I and everyone around me feel that's necessary, and the first one is currently not happening anyway.

Those masks are a killer. Even the simple ones get you all hot. I had to wear one the other week for an hour and boy, did I get rid of it fast after.
I would not do well at robbery. :D

Pancakes 23.05.2020 14:07

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I guess it depends on how exactly I would be traveling. In a car, yes. But on a plane or train? No.

I think some people have it in their minds that because they haven't yet contracted the virus or become ill from it that that will always be the case, but that isn't necessarily so. It's still spreading like crazy throughout much of the world, and I think that if we ever really hope to get this thing behind us and stay there, then it's going to require a bit of sacrifice for a while.

According to Darwin's natural selection, "“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent; it is the one most adaptable to change.”

3Wishes 23.05.2020 15:35

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Originally Posted by curley (Post 3183860)
...As to "when do I feel safe about it", very unlike me, on this subject I will just take the government's view: When the borders are open again, I will cross them again as I only didn't 'cause I couldn't. I don't think the German corona is all that different from the Swiss one. :rolleyes:...

+1. I have no fear for myself, only for those elderly or immuno-compromised I am close to. It's "easy" for me to make decisions about where to go and what to do. I really feel for people who want very much to spend time with family/friends yet it's not very practical or safe right now due to age or health conditions (or silly travel restrictions like the UK quarantine).

MusicChick 23.05.2020 16:49

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Probably summer and not by choice. Not sure how yet. Our symphonies got cancelled so no Royal Albert Hall nor Russia this year, but we will catch up next year. :thumbup:

In the meantime, nice to live in such a tourist destination that Switzerland is, it feels like a good opportunity to wander around and discover it, instead of a complete staycation.

greenmount 23.05.2020 17:02

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Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 3183983)
I guess it depends on how exactly I would be traveling. In a car, yes. But on a plane or train? No.

I think some people have it in their minds that because they haven't yet contracted the virus or become ill from it that that will always be the case, but that isn't necessarily so. It's still spreading like crazy throughout much of the world, and I think that if we ever really hope to get this thing behind us and stay there, then it's going to require a bit of sacrifice for a while.

According to Darwin's natural selection, "“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent; it is the one most adaptable to change.”

100% with you on this one.

I can't travel to my home country because I don't want to expose our older relatives.

I don't want to travel by plane because I don't want to expose ourselves and our kids either....I don't care about what they say about risk groups. I don't want to play with anyone's health, including ourselves. I remember I got chicken pox in my late twenties, it wasn't that bad as they say it can be when you're an adult, but stayed at home for some more days even after my skin was OK.
So...each to their own. Their lives, their conscience.

Btw, speaking of sacrifices. I adore flying and planes and gonna miss it, but things are how they are. Some more patience and "sacrifices" are needed, I think.

zuzi666 23.05.2020 17:20

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as soon as al the borders in Europe will be open, I will travel by car to visit family and friends back home in Croatia.
if the borders are open, we should use it. of course, taking into account to avoid risk group of people.
The good thing is, my most important people back home are not elderly or immuno-compromised.
the plane traveling probably not before 2021 :msnsad:

NickGB 23.05.2020 17:25

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One thing that I'm curious about is the safety of aircraft that have been 'parked up' for months. I'm no aviation expert, but would probably want to let planes fly for a few months before I set foot on one. That shouldn't be a problem as my company is not allowing travel until, at best, 31 August and no large meetings until 31 March.

k_and_e 23.05.2020 17:27

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I plan to travel by car to my parents this summer, if possible.
Apart from that, I plan to spend the year in Switzerland. Actually, I don't have the feeling that I will miss anything this year. I like Switzerland and there are still plenty of places to discover.

SodaBubblies 23.05.2020 17:44

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As much as I would love to go visit family in the US, with the surge in cases there, I think it'd be best for me to stay put. My hope is sometime next year, but only time will tell. Until then, I'll enjoy being a grocery runner for my mother-in-law. :D

omtatsat 23.05.2020 21:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by olygirl (Post 3183823)
When do you feel it's safe to travel abroad? I'm on a travel forum and people are literally yelling at anyone who is considering travelling abroad to stay home, even if the borders open up within Schengen or to non-Schengen visitors. Anything else is irresponsible.



Some posters state that travelling in a plane with multiple layovers will increase the risk of infection while others insist that travel will accelerate a second wave.


There's a lot of fear-mongering going around, especially among those 60+.


I personally feel that if borders are open and you don't mind adhering to the safety measures involved, than travel will be safe.



What do you think?

Just do it!

Guest 23.05.2020 22:24

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olygirl, you didn't say, how do you intend to travel?

Samaire13 23.05.2020 22:27

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Small sidetrack: Anyone know if it’s possible for non-Schengen to travel to Schengen (anywhere is fine) if they are direct relatives (i.e. parents), from a country that allows visa-free travel and there’s a “valid” reason (whatever the hell that may mean exactly - but it wouldn’t be for tourism)? Not right now, but as of early June as borders open? I presume it’s not clear yet, but I can’t find conclusive information.

3Wishes 24.05.2020 19:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Samaire13 (Post 3184104)
Small sidetrack: Anyone know if it’s possible for non-Schengen to travel to Schengen (anywhere is fine) if they are direct relatives (i.e. parents), from a country that allows visa-free travel and there’s a “valid” reason (whatever the hell that may mean exactly - but it wouldn’t be for tourism)? Not right now, but as of early June as borders open? I presume it’s not clear yet, but I can’t find conclusive information.

Do you mean EU but not Shengen? At this point I'd say it's unclear either way, because even Shengen countries aren't letting each others' citizens travel freely. The agreement starting in June only covers a few countries. But things seem to change quickly. :msncrazy:

Just a week or two ago, one of our EF members wanted to drive to Italy and bring back a parent. Both are EU citizens. At that time (and probably still now) the rule was/is the parent needs to be a dependent and have a pre-approved permit in order to be allowed entry into Switzerland.

I think there was another story of someone who is separated from his spouse and children right now because the he came here first to get settled. They had to stay in the UK because they don't have residency in Switzerland. Now the government is starting to process permits for EUs so hopefully they'll be reunited here soon.

olygirl 24.05.2020 21:02

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olygirl, you didn't say, how do you intend to travel?
My son just left for the States today. The airport had a few people roaming around but only Terminal 1 was open, with people lining up for their Swiss flights. No crowds, no waiting at security...it was a weird feeling.

As for me, I've got no plans for travelling at the moment but I definitely would like to see the tourism sector stop losing money.

Guest 24.05.2020 21:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by olygirl (Post 3184320)
My son just left for the States today. The airport had a few people roaming around but only Terminal 1 was open, with people lining up for their Swiss flights. No crowds, no waiting at security...it was a weird feeling.

As for me, I've got no plans for travelling at the moment but I definitely would like to see the tourism sector stop losing money.

Speaking of which, did you read that Hertz just filed for bankruptcy? USD 19 billion in debt :eek: Given this, just how many other smaller companies (with thin margins!) will fold? So sad...

https://www.theguardian.com/business...otection-in-us


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