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Old 22.05.2020, 19:43
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Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

When do you feel it's safe to travel abroad? I'm on a travel forum and people are literally yelling at anyone who is considering travelling abroad to stay home, even if the borders open up within Schengen or to non-Schengen visitors. Anything else is irresponsible.



Some posters state that travelling in a plane with multiple layovers will increase the risk of infection while others insist that travel will accelerate a second wave.


There's a lot of fear-mongering going around, especially among those 60+.


I personally feel that if borders are open and you don't mind adhering to the safety measures involved, than travel will be safe.



What do you think?
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Old 22.05.2020, 19:53
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

Mass-travelling would be no problem if people would stick to the preventive measurements, however I have very low faith in humanity when it comes to such things, some will do perfect, others will screw it up.
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

Iam so furious - people have travelled to UK and UK residents have returned from all over the world from countries where Covid19 was very active. No checks, no leaflets, no announcement at UK airports- NOTHING. We have been in isolation since 16th of March and were hoping by the end of June we would be able to go and stay at our apartment and see the children and grandchildren...And today we are told we would ahve to self isolate in the flat for 14 days- and risk £1000 fine if we do not. And I suppose self isolate again for 14 days on return. I would have welcomed a this 2 months ago - but too late, too late - why now?
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Old 22.05.2020, 20:21
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

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Iam so furious - people have travelled to UK and UK residents have returned from all over the world from countries where Covid19 was very active. No checks, no leaflets, no announcement at UK airports- NOTHING. We have been in isolation since 16th of March and were hoping by the end of June we would be able to go and stay at our apartment and see the children and grandchildren...And today we are told we would ahve to self isolate in the flat for 14 days- and risk £1000 fine if we do not. And I suppose self isolate again for 14 days on return. I would have welcomed a this 2 months ago - but too late, too late - why now?
Why on return?
<<There is no quarantine requirement for travellers entering Switzerland who are free of symptoms of illness.>>
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Old 22.05.2020, 20:30
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

I don't intend to do any unnecessary travel for the foreseeable future. I would no enjoy it so there is no point.
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

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When do you feel it's safe to travel abroad? I'm on a travel forum and people are literally yelling at anyone who is considering travelling abroad to stay home, even if the borders open up within Schengen or to non-Schengen visitors. Anything else is irresponsible.



Some posters state that travelling in a plane with multiple layovers will increase the risk of infection while others insist that travel will accelerate a second wave.


There's a lot of fear-mongering going around, especially among those 60+.


I personally feel that if borders are open and you don't mind adhering to the safety measures involved, than travel will be safe.



What do you think?
The point is, that most borders are closed and that there are not many flights .
Currently in europe you can travel to sweden, uk, netherlands and portugal without quarantine .
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Old 22.05.2020, 20:33
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

Well, the Falkland Islands have no cases, so they're probably ok.

I do want to go to the UK as I have elderly parents. But otherwise, I'm holidaying in Switzerland.
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

Because I am over 65, and OH is over 70 and at very high risk - so would have to self isolate from him too.
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Old 22.05.2020, 21:22
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

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Because I am over 65, and OH is over 70 and at very high risk - so would have to self isolate from him too.
That would be your own decision. No "have to" here in Switzerland.

And if that's how strongly you feel about it - what are your arguing about? The less safe you feel about travelling the less desire you should have to do so?
Or are you just arguing that "they" (who ever that would be) have not eliminated this darn corona-thing yet?


As to "when do I feel safe about it", very unlike me, on this subject I will just take the government's view: When the borders are open again, I will cross them again as I only didn't 'cause I couldn't. I don't think the German corona is all that different from the Swiss one.
Although, re the things I need to buy in Germany ('cause not available here), I'll give it about a month until all the shopping-locusts have gotten their stuff and I can do my thing in piece and quiet.
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Old 22.05.2020, 21:27
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

Now, within reason..... obviously wouldn't go on a cruise.

Mad about the UK quarantine. Already delayed my March trip to beginning of August, but if quarantine still in place I won't be going.
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ivals-rail-sea

The plan about the uk qurantine is to stop the second wave, currently there is no other country in europe doing the same.
Most countries plan to ease border control, bring back the planes to restart the economy.

The quaratine for the uk should start june 08

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52544307
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/h...ll-uk-arrivals

There is no exemption for travellers /people of france as earlier intended:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52682411

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Old 22.05.2020, 21:34
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

Travelling brings more opportunities to be in contact with more people from more places of unknown infection rates and, as Edwin said, at least some of those people, and possible some of the authorities one encounters at the points of travel, are not going to be smart and considerate, etc., but are going to behave in ways that will increase one's risk of becoming infected. This is just a fact of travelling, and of large gatherings of people, with or without Corona, and it can be only partially mitigated by one's own degree of taking precautions. Of course, in non-Corona times, this increase in risk is still real, but is largely insigfinicant.

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Because I am over 65, and OH is over 70 and at very high risk - so would have to self isolate from him too.
Irrespective of the rules and laws of any country, Odile, if your OH is at very high risk, why would he even, for one moment, be considering travelling? I'm sorry, I don't understand this part of your/his plans. Of course I can't know, but I think that, if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't want to risk it.

On the other hand, perhaps it's emotionally important to your OH to be back in England's green and pleasant land, come what may.

I definitely do understand, the yearning to see one's loved-ones. And one's other home, when there is one. And just to be in one's country of origin or of affection, no matter why, just to be there. And I also understand the feeling of craving to cross the border, any border, just to remind oneself that we're not prisoners. Sometimes, I think, the psychological benefit of attending to such longings may offset the increased danger of picking up an infection.
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Iam so furious - people have travelled to UK and UK residents have returned from all over the world from countries where Covid19 was very active. No checks, no leaflets, no announcement at UK airports- NOTHING. We have been in isolation since 16th of March and were hoping by the end of June we would be able to go and stay at our apartment and see the children and grandchildren...And today we are told we would ahve to self isolate in the flat for 14 days- and risk £1000 fine if we do not. And I suppose self isolate again for 14 days on return. I would have welcomed a this 2 months ago - but too late, too late - why now?
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Irrespective of the rules and laws of any country, Odile, if your OH is at very high risk, why would he even, for one moment, be considering travelling? I'm sorry, I don't understand this part of your/his plans. Of course I can't know, but I think that, if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't want to risk it.
exactly, the reason why I intended to go on my own. So I would have to self isolate for 2 weeks in UK, and then not stay with daughter and grandchildren- and see one at a time outside (as per current UK rules) - then self isolate in our own home on return to protect OH.

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exactly, the reason why I intended to go on my own. So I would have to self isolate for 2 weeks in UK, and then not stay with daughter and grandchildren- and see one at a time outside (as per current UK rules) - then self isolate in our own home on return to protec OH.
The lockdown rules are frustrating for everyone, but it's how things are, and have been, for 2 or 3 months. There are many reasons why we'd like to travel to the UK at the moment but we're not even considering it. Even if the rules were relaxed I'd give it a miss. We're in the same age bracket as you.

If and when we do decide it's safe enough, we'll probably drive. If we load the car with enough food, get an early start and get to the French coast the same day, and take the Channel Tunnel, at least we can have minimal contact with others en route. But the hassle means we'll put it off as long as we need to. The idea of flying anywhere at the moment is a non-starter, quarantine or not.
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

I will drive to Belgium for a few days as soon as it's allowed. Will take my own food and drink for the journey and will not be doing anything risky while I am there. It feels safe enough to me, the fact that it's Belgium rather than Switzerland doesn't make any difference to the risk.

The UK quarantine thing is ridiculous. I would have understood it in March, but why now?
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Exactly - what makes things so difficult is also the combination of different rules for CH, FR and UK ... We normally drive- but it is too far for me to drive on my own, and I have got flights booked, already carried over from late March. So no, I won't go- but I find not seeing granchildren very very hard. We always felt here was just a short flight, train or drive away- and got so used to travel back and forth anytime we wanted.

Really don't fancy going back to UK to live at the moment- for sure. Especially as it is likely they will move here if and when the UK economy tanks. So- struggling at the mo to balance emotions.

So answer to OP, no don't feel safe. Not even in Switzerland, have cancelled our trip to Loèche(Leukerbad again- OH's safety comes first.
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Old 23.05.2020, 00:07
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The plan about the uk qurantine is to stop the second wave, currently there is no other country in europe doing the same.
It’s a CTA quarantine, Ireland announced it several hours earlier than the UK and presumably the other members will do the same in the next few days.
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Re: Travelling Abroad: When do YOU feel it's safe?

Sorry, Odile, I think I must have overlooked some part of what you were saying, the first time I read your posts about travelling. Oh, yes, now I get it. Thanks for the explanation.

You and OP do, indeed, face difficult decisions of the heart.
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