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Old 31.05.2020, 20:31
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Logic (rationality) is the only way for the government. If you try to run a state based on feeling you get what MeToo turned into in epic proportions and injustices everywhere.
No, when you have a government that approaches an issue with nothing but "logic" -- void of emotion or feeling (e.g. empathy) -- things like the holocaust happen.
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Old 31.05.2020, 20:36
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No, when you have a government that approaches an issue with nothing but "logic" -- void of emotion or feeling (e.g. empathy) -- things like the holocaust happen.
Quickly explain me how the Holocaust is based on logic (and not a highly emotional fear of people with a different religion...)
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Old 31.05.2020, 20:38
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Reports are that police have opened fire on protesters in Los Angeles.
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Old 31.05.2020, 20:42
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Reports are that police have opened fire on protesters in Los Angeles.
Oh fantastic. Yes all this is going to end very, very well.

It all makes me really sad.
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Old 31.05.2020, 20:50
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Quickly explain me how the Holocaust is based on logic (and not a highly emotional fear of people with a different religion...)
The Nazi's "logic" was to eliminate Jews and therefore eliminate what they perceived to be their problem. Urs Max had written that a government can't approach issues with feeling and should only use logic. My point is that feelings like empathy are necessary to make decisions that are moral.
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I'm not saying that it's not paint, but just out of curiosity... How do you know that it's paint?

Either way, that is just really f'ed up.
Because if you would watch the video you can see the paint stain on the pants of one of those guys.
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Old 31.05.2020, 21:15
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Not for a single-mother-to-be, that's the problem with absent fathers

Logic (rationality) is the only way for the government. If you try to run a state based on feeling you get what MeToo turned into in epic proportions and injustices everywhere.

WRT abortion the woman decides, and she only. The father-to-be can do nothing but hope. Assuming he's around in the first place. However it shouldn't come to that, abortion is only the emergency exit.

All the reasons you can give for single parenting have nothing to do with preventing pregnancy. No pregnancy no single parent, it's quite simple.

You mention social input. That's exactly what this is (I am) about here. Kids mimick their parent(s) and perpetuate societal aspects. Including an ever-increasing share of single-parent households, for instance, with all the adverse consequences that brings.
All of these considerations, for which I'm sure black American women would be grateful to you, still have nothing to do with police rough handling black males and the justice system having a historical bias against this subset of population.

But seriously, we can leave it at that.
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A large proportion of Swiss births are out of wedlock. Europe in general has a slightly higher percentage.

So what’s your point?
I think the point was that when the unwed parents are white, they're educated middle class couples that are going against the grain. When it's a black couple, it's because it was a one night stand. Apparently 🙄
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Quickly explain me how the Holocaust is based on logic (and not a highly emotional fear of people with a different religion...)
The "logic" was based on nationalism. According to the Nazis, country above god. Jews had a different god and were not thought to be able to put the fatherland above god... Or some such, it's been a while since I read this stuff in high school.
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"The United States of America will be designating ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization."

About time such would happen.
Why did it take this long for the FBI to investigate and/or dismantle this organization? The real question is: who exactly funds Antifa? Rumor has it, Soros is behind this organization in terms of financing.... But who knows? Someone with deep pockets is financing Antifa...
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Old 31.05.2020, 21:58
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Why did it take this long for the FBI to investigate and/or dismantle this organization? The real question is: who exactly funds Antifa? Rumor has it, Soros is behind this organization in terms of financing.... But who knows? Someone with deep pockets is financing Antifa...
Oh, thatīs a new one, Soros is not a choir boy by a long shot but the last I heard people were calling him a Nazi.
I doubt it, Antifa is financed by voluntary donations from itīt members, nothing spectacular.
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Old 31.05.2020, 22:03
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A large proportion of Swiss births are out of wedlock. Europe in general has a slightly higher percentage.

So what’s your point?
Thanks for mentioning CH/Europe because it rules out at least the blatant racism present in the US as sole cause for increased risk of poverty for single-parent households. The issue is the same around here, single parenthood is the single most important risk factor for poverty.

Last time I checked the large socioeconomic differences are one of the major points blacks complain about, maybe even *the* point. Understandable, but only justified if the differences are predominantly caused by racism. That's where single-parenthood comes into play as that's caused by oneself.
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Old 31.05.2020, 22:07
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

I guess it should be rather unsurprising that Trump is trying to dismantle Antifa -- an anti-fascist / anti-racism movement -- and label it being a terrorist group. Antifa protested against his election in 2016. But Trump clearly sees no need to try to counteract racism and white supremacist ideologies in the US.
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Oh, thatīs a new one, Soros is not a choir boy by a long shot but the last I heard people were calling him a Nazi.
I doubt it, Antifa is financed by voluntary donations from itīt members, nothing spectacular.
Their mobilization is quite sophisticated and I really doubt the organization only relies on regular "donors".

I could give a toss about Soros but I do think Antifa needs to be investigated specifically regarding who or which organization is providing their financing. It is definitely one with deep pockets...
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But Trump clearly sees no need to try to counteract racism and white supremacist ideologies in the US.
Given he's obviously and very publicly racist himself - nope.
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Old 31.05.2020, 22:32
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The Nazi's "logic" was to eliminate Jews and therefore eliminate what they perceived to be their problem. Urs Max had written that a government can't approach issues with feeling and should only use logic. My point is that feelings like empathy are necessary to make decisions that are moral.
Feelings are a deeply personal thing, they have no relevance in the public domain. Your love for your OH for example is utterly irrelevant for the general public. If he were to commit whatever crime, your feelings wouldn't change the verdict even one bit.

Feelings may cause you to reach certain moral values, but moral itself is a logical set of values that are (hopefully) concise in and of themselves. "You must not kill" (except in a few exceptional circumstance) and "don't do unto others what you don't want done unto you" are fundamental moral (and legal) commandments. They're also completely void of emotions. Which is in fact the reason why they work.

The inverse of the latter, "do unto others in need as you wish be done unto you" is of course rooted in compassion but contains zero emotionality.
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Don't know what US law says, but I think over here, or in Germany for that matter, if somebody reported a forged bank note, they wouldn't send four policemen at once and they probably wouldn't make an arrest. Typically policemen operate in pairs and for something like this they'd probably just confiscate the suspicious bank note for the forensics to look at, take names, write down statements and file a report. Any further action would be down to the detectives and the state proescutors and might take weeks if not months...

I know the US is different again. But that different?
Yes, it is. For one thing, many municipalities can't afford to have two cops in the car at the same time. Many of them patrol solo. It's my opinion that the cop on his or her own is going to be more fearful of violent confrontation than one with a partner along. I don't know if Minneapolis uses two cops per cruiser or if the four that showed up were all separate.

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...That's where single-parenthood comes into play as that's caused by oneself.
Not always. People become single parents through death of the partner, the partner leaving (not necessarily the fault of the one left behind), and even simple lack of access to preventive measures and/or abortion after rape.

To say single parenthood is caused by the person who is single is a bit oversimplified.
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But seriously, we can leave it at that.
Stop trying to tell me what to do. It's none of your business and it doesn't work.
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Their mobilization is quite sophisticated and I really doubt the organization only relies on regular "donors".

I could give a toss about Soros but I do think Antifa needs to be investigated specifically regarding who or which organization is providing their financing. It is definitely one with deep pockets...
Why does it have to be one with deep pockets? Their actions are pretty damn cheap and can easily be paid for by the members doing them, add a bunch of random donations and all money needs are accounted for.
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Why does it have to be one with deep pockets? Their actions are pretty damn cheap and can easily be paid for by the members doing them, add a bunch of random donations and all money needs are accounted for.
Who flies/trains/buses them in and pays for the hotel accommodations exactly? And on this scale - namely 30 cities?
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