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Why don't we all keep it classy
Sounds like a few people are maxed out.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

One needs something like The American Revolution to happen in USA.
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Read this.....

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

Over their lifetime, black men are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police violence than white men. Works out to 1 in 1000.
This may be due to the fact that they are more likely to commit violent crimes than other races:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crime
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

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While Trump and Barr have focused on Antifa, the FBI and other agencies are tracking groups from both the extremist right and left involved in the riots and attacks on police.
Federal law enforcement officials tell CNN they are aware of organized groups who are seeking to carry out the property destruction and violence, using the cover of the legitimate protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere. Those domestic extremist groups include anarchists, anti-government groups often associated with far-right extremists and white supremacy causes, and far-left extremists who identify with anti-fascist ideology.
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The FBI and other federal agencies are working with local authorities to track social media posts and other communications to identify those who have crossed state lines to carry out violence. Federal officials say they believe there is an amalgam of groups showing up in protests from the extremist left and right that normally oppose each other but see common cause in attacking the police and the government.
The Trump administration's message has focused only on the far-left extremists. Barr's statement referred to violence from "antifa and other similar groups." On CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday, national security adviser Robert O'Brien said, "These Antifa groups are organized and use Molotov cocktails and fireworks and gas to burn down our cities."
Asked by CNN's Jake Tapper about far-right groups participating in the violence, O'Brien said: "I haven't seen the reports on far-right groups. This is being driven by Antifa."
Trump has also blamed Democratic officials in Minnesota and other states where violence has occurred. "Get tough Democrat Mayors and Governors. These people are ANARCHISTS. Call in our National Guard NOW," Trump tweeted Sunday.
Acting Senate Intelligence Chairman Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican, said Saturday that the outsiders included "a rogues gallery of terrorists from Antifa to 'Boogaloo' groups encouraging and committing violence." Boogaloo is a group often associated with far-right extremist ideology that wants to initiate a civil war. Rubio tweeted that the groups were not "ideologically compatible but share a hatred of govt & police & are taking advantage of the protests."
"Many of these professional agitators don't fit a simple left vs right identity," Rubio said. "They are part of a growing anti-government extremist movement. They hate law enforcement & want to tear the whole system down even if it requires a new civil war."

What local officials are saying
Minnesota officials said this weekend white supremacists and others were mixing in with legitimate protestors. Authorities there are looking at connections between those arrested and white supremacist organizers who have posted online about coming to Minnesota. Officials have also tracked messages about seeking to loot and whether there was a connection to organized crime.

At a news conference on Sunday morning, Minneapolis Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington said that one-fifth of the weekend arrests to date were from outside the state. Among those arrested Saturday were residents of Arkansas, Kansas City, Iowa, Illinois and Michigan, Harrington said, though he did not have arrest data from overnight.
Walz also said the state was looking at who was behind a "very sophisticated" denial of service attack on all state computers that was executed on Saturday. "That's not somebody sitting in their basement, that's pretty sophisticated," he said.

Officials across the country are also assessing the make-up of the agitators mixed in with legitimate protestors.
Denver Mayor Michael Hancock told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Sunday he "wouldn't be surprised if Antifa" was behind some of the actions in his city. "We don't have the specific information they're directly engaged, but we have intel, we have watched and intercepted, frankly, groups coming into Denver. We have confiscated weapons, including assault weapons, that were heading to the demonstrations."
Salt Lake City Mayor Erin Mendenhall said the city too is trying to determine the role of those behind the violence, telling CNN, "We have yet to unpack of the arrests we made who the instigators are and their locations. We're anxious to find out."

In Chicago, Mayor Lori Lightfoot said looters organized across the city and possibly came in from outside: "There clearly was coordination, they were clearly listening to our radio traffic," she said. "The number of U-Haul trucks that magically showed up in front of stores, car caravans that dropped people off and broke windows, and then were hustling the goods out into the backs of the cars. Absolutely, it was organized -- there's no question whatsoever about that."

Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney on Sunday denounced what he called "anarchists" for the looting and vandalism that occurred Saturday night in his city and claimed rhetoric from the White House was "perpetuating" the violence.
In New York, investigators are also searching social media to identify leaders who are trying to get protestors to gather to incite violence, a law enforcement official told CNN. Investigators there have seen antagonizers more affiliated with Antifa and far-left causes, and not necessarily white supremacist groups. "They do not represent the peaceful New Yorkers that want to protest," the official said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/31/p...-us/index.html

Opinions? I have to mention I've been watching FoxNews too but it's still very difficult to have an opinion about what's going on there.

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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Ive been reading this : its a summary of violence perpetrated against black people at least since the civil war.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/c...-for-violence/

Its given me a lot to think about.
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Old 01.06.2020, 10:03
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Friend of mine who lives in LA sent me some links from someone's IG:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA27kO_h...d=azap9w3dbl98

Police responding with violence to what appears to be friendly protesters against police violence. I have no words for this anymore.

Also saw pics from random pedestrians being shot by rubber bullets and it turns out, that shit isn't exactly harmless.

I'm seriously horrified.


Greenmount, my guess would be on 85% legitimate protesters, 10% aggressive folks from both far right and far left who both want to fight "the system" albeit coming from different premises, and 5% bored folks with latent anger and aggression that saw some opportunity here.
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Old 01.06.2020, 10:14
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Uhhh! Can this be true? The national guard shooting at civilians?
Well, it wouldn't be the first time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

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Friend of mine who lives in LA sent me some links from someone's IG:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA27kO_h...d=azap9w3dbl98

Police responding with violence to what appears to be friendly protesters against police violence. I have no words for this anymore.

Also saw pics from random pedestrians being shot by rubber bullets and it turns out, that shit isn't exactly harmless.

I'm seriously horrified.


Greenmount, my guess would be on 85% legitimate protesters, 10% aggressive folks from both far right and far left who both want to fight "the system" albeit coming from different premises, and 5% bored folks with latent anger and aggression that saw some opportunity here.

I'm horrified as well. With such an incendiary situation all it takes is a few vile extremists from either side to deliberately stoke the fires. Deliberately ramp up the crowd reaction while at the same time deliberately goading the police.
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Friend of mine who lives in LA sent me some links from someone's IG:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA27kO_h...d=azap9w3dbl98

Police responding with violence to what appears to be friendly protesters against police violence. I have no words for this anymore.

Also saw pics from random pedestrians being shot by rubber bullets and it turns out, that shit isn't exactly harmless.

I'm seriously horrified.


Greenmount, my guess would be on 85% legitimate protesters, 10% aggressive folks from both far right and far left who both want to fight "the system" albeit coming from different premises, and 5% bored folks with latent anger and aggression that saw some opportunity here.
Yeah, it gets messy in that area and a few more areas... Friends have written it's quiet in their neck of the woods.

Re. the structure of these protesters or groups I tend to agree. Also probably many petty criminals that saw an opportunity and grabbed it.

Btw, that gas the police is using to disperse the crowd.....it ain't exactly harmless either.

Let's hope all will end soon....
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Yeah, it gets messy in that area and a few more areas...
Yeah. My former partner is from the Fairfax area in LA, I also have friends there, and am visiting them several times a year (well normally that is). I recognize the buildings that are now partly on fire or at best boarded up and graffitied, having been to, shopped or eaten at many of them many, many times. Its a bit like my second home and its awful to see it like this.
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Old 01.06.2020, 12:07
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Who should do that? There is no such thing as "The Antifa" or a central leadership who decides on all. It is just a whole bunch of individuals and local groups with the same ideas waving the same flag, it's a movement not an organisation and nobody is in the position to speak on behalf of the movement.
Okay, thanks. I guess I really had no idea, so that's why I asked. I was curious if there were any signs that were already pointing to Antifa being responsible for the looting and riots (but again, I really had no idea how they work exactly, so that's why I asked).
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Quickly explain me how the Holocaust is based on logic (and not a highly emotional fear of people with a different religion...)
The logic is simple. A populist leader cynically fanning the flames of any latent negative reactions to specific groups of people (grouped on a national/ethnic/Religious/skin colour/etc. basis) as a tactic to deflect anger, in a dissatisfied population, or just as a unifying manoeuvre, away from themselves and focus its expression on the selected target group. The simple message is that group X is the source of our problems.
So we saw the demonisation of the Jews leading to the holocaust, we saw others such as Russophobia invoked when required, now even more rapidly Sinophobia as political instruments of distraction from a parlous internal situation in the US.
An election time in the US is a particularly dangerous period when politicians, desperate for the power some are manifestly unfit to wield, cause huge damage in its pursuit. Maybe yet another group is soon to be targetted as a scapegoat for the current problems or maybe a war will be started for its distraction effect. Who knows?
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An election time in the US is a particularly dangerous period when politicians, desperate for the power some are manifestly unfit to wield, cause huge damage in its pursuit. Maybe yet another group is soon to be targetted as a scapegoat for the current problems or maybe a war will be started for its distraction effect. Who knows?
Why only USA? The tactic is used worldwide. I think in the USA, and in other countries with two main parties/alliances that take turns acceding to power every 4 or 5 years, the main focus is on demonising the other party. Everything happens because the other party messed up when they ran the country...
(in my experience and opinion of course)
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The logic is simple. A populist leader cynically fanning the flames of any latent negative reactions to specific groups of people (grouped on a national/ethnic/Religious/skin colour/etc. basis) as a tactic to deflect anger, in a dissatisfied population, or just as a unifying manoeuvre, away from themselves and focus its expression on the selected target group. The simple message is that group X is the source of our problems.
So we saw the demonisation of the Jews leading to the holocaust, we saw others such as Russophobia invoked when required, now even more rapidly Sinophobia as political instruments of distraction from a parlous internal situation in the US.
An election time in the US is a particularly dangerous period when politicians, desperate for the power some are manifestly unfit to wield, cause huge damage in its pursuit. Maybe yet another group is soon to be targetted as a scapegoat for the current problems or maybe a war will be started for its distraction effect. Who knows?
Still waiting for an explanation of the logical part...
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Still waiting for an explanation of the logical part...
He meant there's a pattern of demonising an external/internal factor for a country's all problems.
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By the way, I feel like my words were twisted a bit there. I didn't say that the holocaust was based on logic but that the Nazis employed their own special "logic" -- void of feelings like empathy -- to feel justified in their killing of Jews. So my point was that feelings like empathy are necessary for moral decision-making.
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The logic is simple. A populist leader cynically fanning the flames of any latent negative reactions to specific groups of people (grouped on a national/ethnic/Religious/skin colour/etc. basis) as a tactic to deflect anger, in a dissatisfied population, or just as a unifying manoeuvre, away from themselves and focus its expression on the selected target group. The simple message is that group X is the source of our problems.
So we saw the demonisation of the Jews leading to the holocaust, we saw others such as Russophobia invoked when required, now even more rapidly Sinophobia as political instruments of distraction from a parlous internal situation in the US.
An election time in the US is a particularly dangerous period when politicians, desperate for the power some are manifestly unfit to wield, cause huge damage in its pursuit. Maybe yet another group is soon to be targetted as a scapegoat for the current problems or maybe a war will be started for its distraction effect. Who knows?
Yeah this is pretty spot on.
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Why only USA? The tactic is used worldwide. I think in the USA, and in other countries with two main parties/alliances that take turns acceding to power every 4 or 5 years, the main focus is on demonising the other party. Everything happens because the other party messed up when they ran the country...
(in my experience and opinion of course)
The tread is focussed on the USA so I didn't list all the manifestations of this phenomenon, but of course you are right that it is much broader. However, in the USA we are seeing that the political parties don't just demonise each other. If the damage was limited to that, it would not be so bad, but it has extended to demonising whole countries, international treaties, international organisations etc. etc.
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Why did it take this long for the FBI to investigate and/or dismantle this organization?
Because Antifa are the good guys.
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Zurich: https://www.20min.ch/story/black-liv...h-711645525115

Given much of social change in the past has tended to come from “the masses”, here’s hoping this will all lead to something good, even if the looting overshadows so much of what is good about these protests.
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