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Old 01.06.2020, 22:08
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The United States of America is moving head long into a major crisis and the virus is going to prove to be the catalist, because, once again, a major event has shifted money from those that need, to those that have. I see it. I work for a private bank, and I can see the money being made. That is happening because when the markets drop, the people that have the least, but have been intelligent/advised enough to try and use the markets to their benefit, panicked and withdrew their investments for fear of losing more. The people buying up those sales are the wealthy, who have the cash to invest without too much fear of loss. Once again the money moves in the direction of money.
A crisis typically leads to a redistribution of the cards, but not necessarily all in one direction. I'm sure there are plenty of pensioners and other small investors out there who made a pretty penny by buying when the stocks were low. Anybody who has lived through one or two such crashes, or can read a history book can work out that selling in panic is never a good idea.

I have an elderly neighbour who dabbles in small investments and who asked me why it is that people fall for it every single time.
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Old 01.06.2020, 22:31
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differential treatment of non-white versus white people within the US justice system has a lot to do with race
now that's true.
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Old 01.06.2020, 22:36
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Ive been reading this : its a summary of violence perpetrated against black people at least since the civil war.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/c...-for-violence/

Its given me a lot to think about.
Also may have it's roots in slavery.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44158098
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Old 01.06.2020, 22:47
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I was just reading the US news... Apparently, a second / independent autopsy has just found that George Floyd's death was indeed caused by asphyxia.

And Trump is now hiding in a bunker while simultaneously yelling at governors to get the riots under control.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

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Do you know what the broad definition of a psychopath is? It's someone who lacks empathy, and one of the typical characteristics of psychopaths is that they are detached from their emotions and are unable to experience guilt.
This isn't exactly true. The current research, which has also been reported in pop media recently suggests psychopaths can use empathy when it serves them (to get into peoples' heads and manipulate) and then it off at will.

See: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-23431793
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I was just reading the US news... Apparently, a second / independent autopsy has just found that George Floyd's death was indeed caused by asphyxia.

And Trump is now hiding in a bunker while simultaneously yelling at governors to get the riots under control.
I think he's in bed with the blankets over his head!
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Old 02.06.2020, 07:14
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Zurich: https://www.20min.ch/story/black-liv...h-711645525115

Given much of social change in the past has tended to come from “the masses”, here’s hoping this will all lead to something good, even if the looting overshadows so much of what is good about these protests.
If we are to be fair here, in France and UK and maybe other countries too we also had riots and lootings and what not.

What was the excuse for all of these in these cases? In the USA's case the explanation is rather simple - racism in the justice system (I think it's not only against blacks, again, if we want to be fair, I think even poor whites struggle with the same systemic/structural issues) is not over yet and Trump, with his style and everything added fuel to some problems that were already there.
His lack of responsibility and rational political discourse definitely had a huge impact regardless of Antifa or white supremacists or who knows what other groups were instigating a bit. You reap what you sow. But I am 100% sure he'll keep blaming everybody else but himself.

This is the problem with the populists, they never take a good look in the mirror.

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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

It shows it's time to rise up against ALL authority that seems to think they know what's better for you than you do.
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Old 02.06.2020, 07:47
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It shows it's time to rise up against ALL authority that seems to think they know what's better for you than you do.
Yeah, that seems like a reasonable thing to do....

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Old 02.06.2020, 08:03
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What was the excuse for all of these in these cases? In the USA's case the explanation is rather simple - racism in the justice system (I think it's not only against blacks, again, if we want to be fair, I think even poor whites struggle with the same systemic/structural issues) is not over yet and Trump, with his style and everything added fuel to some problems that were already there.
His lack of responsibility and rational political discourse definitely had a huge impact regardless of Antifa or white supremacists or who knows what other groups were instigating a bit. You reap what you sow. But I am 100% sure he'll keep blaming everybody else but himself.

This is the problem with the populists, they never take a good look in the mirror.
100% agree, racism in the US is more systemic/institutional, and would add that populists are one thing, here we have to deal with one that is also a narcissist and sociopath.
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Old 02.06.2020, 08:38
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Thank goodness that Trump needs the specific approval of Congress (Senate and House) to deploy the US Army or Air Force domestically.

The National Guard reports to State Governors not Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

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Old 02.06.2020, 08:40
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Thank goodness that Trump needs the specific approval of Congress (Senate and House) to deploy the US Army or Air Force domestically.

The National Guard reports to State Governors not Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
He probably hasn't read that given his attention span is limited to about 280 characters.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

I am happy that people have mobile phones these days, so we can see the full picture. People are demonstrating against police brutality and the police seems to respond with a lot unnecessary violence. Previously could they get away with that when the TV could show some looters and the average guy would think the violence was probably warranted. But this time are the videos pretty clear and disturbing.
https://www.google.lu/amp/s/www.thev...t-george-floyd

A few months ago did we discuss the Hong Kong riots. It seems that the people who this time defend the cops were back then clearly on the side of the protesters. In HK did millions protest for months and the cops had a very measured response to only the very few violent riots. In the US get media teams repeatedly shot with rubber bullets, black politicians in a peaceful protest maced and handcuffed... Iran already took the opportunity to point out that the US is once again losing every bit of moral high ground they still had.
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Old 02.06.2020, 09:46
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I am happy that people have mobile phones these days, so we can see the full picture. People are demonstrating against police brutality and the police seems to respond with a lot unnecessary violence. Previously could they get away with that when the TV could show some looters and the average guy would think the violence was probably warranted. But this time are the videos pretty clear and disturbing.
https://www.google.lu/amp/s/www.thev...t-george-floyd

A few months ago did we discuss the Hong Kong riots. It seems that the people who this time defend the cops were back then clearly on the side of the protesters. In HK did millions protest for months and the cops had a very measured response to only the very few violent riots. In the US get media teams repeatedly shot with rubber bullets, black politicians in a peaceful protest maced and handcuffed... Iran already took the opportunity to point out that the US is once again losing every bit of moral high ground they still had.
Protesting and tearing up an entire city are 2 different things.

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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Here’s Trump standing in front of a church holding a bible while nearby protesters are being tear gassed to keep them away from the photo op. Barf

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e_iOSApp_Other
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China doesnt really need to keep up militarily, for instance the US is pouring over a trillion dollars into the military each and every year, and that is not counting the nuclear systems, they are on the payroll of the department of energy. China wont go that way, why should they, Ill bet they are speculating that the US will tear its self apart, also there is no left over impetus from the rivalry between the US and the CCCP. They have no "military industrial complex" sucking money out of the system to feed the share holder value.
Having said that they are catching up in many ways other than the brute force of the US.
But, in my opinion, one of the main reasons that China will take over and that countries will increasingly turn to China is that they are giving out their aid and making deals without demanding that the recipients bother with pesky human rights and democracy issues.
And vice versa, slammer, and vice versa.... I don't think you've even thought of that......
Maybe not all countries will turn to China or Russia because they have had enough of the shite going around for a while.

The problem with China, or any other similar power (supposing there is one) is that you don't get only their money, you also import their system (economic, political etc). Some don't necessarily like that. Maybe they had enough of that shite too. Nothing to do with all those "phobias" and -isms some will rush to invoke.

All righty.....back to the riots now.

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Protesting and tearing up an entire city are 2 different things.
The link I gave showed a dozen or so examples where police were the ones tearing up cities, not the protesters... but yeah, lets make sure the level of discussion stays banal.
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The link I gave showed a dozen or so examples where police were the ones tearing up cities, not the protesters... but yeah, let’s make sure the level of discussion stays banal.
Except that I didn't see anyone here defending the police for disproportionate response against protesters.

Maybe you're the one who wants the level of discussion stays banal.

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The guy tried to pay with a fake 20$ bill and was therefore arrested AND KILLED.
Where's the 20$ bill now, and where's the evidence it was fake?

If the cop had been clever and been trained at crowd control and how to act when the perp of a minor offense is drunk and surrounded by his buddies, he would have told the guy at Cup Foods that counterfeitng is a Secret Service matter.

I worked as a summer intern in Harlem in the summer of 1964. Then there was Watts, and lots of others. Insurance companies and big box stores will pay for the losses of the big boys. They are already announcing their mea culpas and forgiving the looters. The mom & pop stores will never reopen.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Could anyone enlighten me whether we are now allowed to film the police? I remember it was heavily questioned upon just a few years back, be it in the States or here in Switzerland.

However from the number of videos released recently it seems that at least in the States the ordinary people are allowed to film the police while the police are carrying out their duty.
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