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Jordan Uhl, a political consultant and activist in Washington, D.C., wanted to make sure as many people saw these videos as possible. Encouraged by a friend, he edited together 14 clips, including one from a reporter at The New York Times of an officer accelerating and opening a car door that hit protesters. The result is a two-minute, 13-second supercut that he called “This is a police state”.

https://twitter.com/jordanuhl/status...752056320?s=21
Apparently there are also some videos on the internet with police forces being attacked by "protesters" and some people with guns getting out in the street and shooting in the air. Sounds rather scary to me. I assume at this point one can't distinguish very well between protesters and provocateurs/the usual nutters that large protests attract. I guess. Who can tell from here?
Though judging by some images from your link they're deliberately dispersing the crowds in a very aggressive way...
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Old 03.06.2020, 12:57
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James Martin, a Jesuit priest and consultant to the Vatican's communications department, tweeted: "Let me be clear. This is revolting. The Bible is not a prop. A church is not a photo op. Religion is not a political tool. God is not your plaything."
Because Jesuits never use religion for political purposes, right?
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Old 03.06.2020, 13:24
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That's not quite true. There are already security cameras mounted in newer version of trains and trams in Switzerland. I strongly doubt nonetheless that the police would permit you to film them
There was a debate when they were introduced and I think finally the compromise was that there needed to be warnings on the door of the train, and there is an ombudsman you can talk to if you are not happy. That is quite different to the USA where it is often quite intransparent who owns the cameras and what happens to the footage, who it is shared with, how long and for what purposes it is analyzed, stored etc. Secondly, it was deemed to be OK on trains because nobody is forced to use a train. In public streets that is different.
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Apparently there are also some videos on the internet with police forces being attacked by "protesters" and some people with guns getting out in the street and shooting in the air. Sounds rather scary to me. I assume at this point one can't distinguish very well between protesters and provocateurs/the usual nutters that large protests attract. I guess. Who can tell from here?
Though judging by some images from your link they're deliberately dispersing the crowds in a very aggressive way...
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No doubt this is correct. But it is almost inevitable given the situation. There are baddies on both sides but, the police work for us. They should not be breaking laws to suppress peaceful demonstrations. If everyone would just take a step back and looked for solutions rather than for confrontation.
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No doubt this is correct. But it is almost inevitable given the situation. There are baddies on both sides but, the police work for us. They should not be breaking laws to suppress peaceful demonstrations. If everyone would just take a step back and looked for solutions rather than for confrontation.
Yeah, you see, the solution for that problem is very complex. For one, police brutality are isolated incidents and the vast majority of police officers dislike an unprofessional colleague just like the victims they abuse. Mainly because it gives them a bad name and it is unethical, inhumane and it is against their professional code.
The main issue on hand has more to do with a false narrative projected by the media. If we go by figures, so far in 2020, 31 black people had been shot by the police (42 white people). As a juxtaposition, the weekend from May 29th until 1st June, in Chicago alone, 84 people had been shot, of which 23 fatally. There is no uproar about it, nobody is marching for something which constitutes a mostly black on black issue. In that context, black lives only matter when a white man is the one taking it. The issue also expands to private citizens and is not limited to law enforcement officers. When roughly 90something percent (I forgot the exact figure, but it was over 90%) of African Americans get killed by fellow African Americans, then the issue is not the police force with a few bad apples, the issue lies within their community and it seems unjust to cry wolf for something which actually is being completely misrepresented.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

I disagree. The question isn't about which of these circumstances is worse than the other. The question is about Police Brutality and the toll it is taking on US citizens.

Granted it isn't the only problem confronting Americans, but it is a big one. The police are there to 'serve and protect' not to 'serve and protect white people'.
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I disagree. The question isn't about which of these circumstances is worse than the other. The question is about Police Brutality and the toll it is taking on US citizens.

Granted it isn't the only problem confronting Americans, but it is a big one. The police are there to 'serve and protect' not to 'serve and protect white people'.
Police brutality happens but is not prevalent. As a matter of fact, the occurrence of police violence is narrowed down to isolated case. It has nothing to do with protecting a certain race.
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Yeah, it's all fun and games until the big boys decide not to play nice anymore. I don't see anything wrong with it. My favorite is the pudgy guy in the white sleeveless shirt who turns around and starts mouthing off. . .and then a minute or so later you can hear him saying "Ok, I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm leaving".
I don't know what part of go away these people don't understand. There are set curfews in 40 diffrerent cities across the nation and areas where they are allowed to peacefully protest, anywhere else, they'd have to deal with the consequences. Blocking off highways and intersections and what not is a no go in my book. Kudos to the police officers for exerting such restraint.
Someone simply standing at a protest does not deserve to have their face pepper-sprayed by a cop or to be run over by a cop car. This entire thing began due to a cop(s) abusing his power with unnecessary show of force in the first place. It's pretty obvious in those video clips that some of these cops are taking out their aggression on innocent protestors -- ones who are not looting, etc.

The first amendment of the US Constitution states:

"Amendment I:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
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Police brutality happens but is not prevalent. As a matter of fact, the occurrence of police violence is narrowed down to isolated case. It has nothing to do with protecting a certain race.
It doesn‘t have to be prevalent.
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Old 03.06.2020, 18:09
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Police brutality happens but is not prevalent. As a matter of fact, the occurrence of police violence is narrowed down to isolated case. It has nothing to do with protecting a certain race.
Again I disagree. It isn’t just that the brutality exists, but that little is actually being done to stop it. Black Children do not look to the police as protectors but as the enemy.

And the Qualified Immunity (Search that) that the police have in the US likely means they are never held to account for their actions. Nowhere else gives their police such immunity, and nowhere else has the brutality problem.
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Yeah, you see, the solution for that problem is very complex. For one, police brutality are isolated incidents and the vast majority of police officers dislike an unprofessional colleague just like the victims they abuse. Mainly because it gives them a bad name and it is unethical, inhumane and it is against their professional code.
The main issue on hand has more to do with a false narrative projected by the media. If we go by figures, so far in 2020, 31 black people had been shot by the police (42 white people). As a juxtaposition, the weekend from May 29th until 1st June, in Chicago alone, 84 people had been shot, of which 23 fatally. There is no uproar about it, nobody is marching for something which constitutes a mostly black on black issue. In that context, black lives only matter when a white man is the one taking it. The issue also expands to private citizens and is not limited to law enforcement officers. When roughly 90something percent (I forgot the exact figure, but it was over 90%) of African Americans get killed by fellow African Americans, then the issue is not the police force with a few bad apples, the issue lies within their community and it seems unjust to cry wolf for something which actually is being completely misrepresented.

Police is the recourse to resolve such 90% crime, when using them as a recourse it shouldn't be a possible source of worry that you might get jammed by them. blue on black crime is a serious issue perpetuated by the same admin policies by local PD .



I like how you call them bad apples and always disregard the "spoil the bunch" part. those other 3 officers are the spoiled bunch and that creeps through the force.




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Yeah, you see, the solution for that problem is very complex. For one, police brutality are isolated incidents and the vast majority of police officers dislike an unprofessional colleague just like the victims they abuse. Mainly because it gives them a bad name and it is unethical, inhumane and it is against their professional code.
The main issue on hand has more to do with a false narrative projected by the media. If we go by figures, so far in 2020, 31 black people had been shot by the police (42 white people). As a juxtaposition, the weekend from May 29th until 1st June, in Chicago alone, 84 people had been shot, of which 23 fatally. There is no uproar about it, nobody is marching for something which constitutes a mostly black on black issue. In that context, black lives only matter when a white man is the one taking it. The issue also expands to private citizens and is not limited to law enforcement officers. When roughly 90something percent (I forgot the exact figure, but it was over 90%) of African Americans get killed by fellow African Americans, then the issue is not the police force with a few bad apples, the issue lies within their community and it seems unjust to cry wolf for something which actually is being completely misrepresented.
I'm not sure where you got your numbers from. This article gives a different slant :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ings-database/
The general level of gun deaths in the USA is notorious and also that a lot of the black on black killings are gang related is well known.
I don't think this takes away in any way from the racism deeply entrenched in some parts of american society including some police forces.
This is not a case of a few bad apples. It is a symptom of deep seated prejudices that have been handed down over the centuries. I have some red-necked relatives. Their views cannot be prettified. They are racists.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Dan Crenshaw summed it up well for me...he is always positive, looking for a way out of disagreements:

"Two things can be true: 1) a clear injustice was committed and George Floyd should be alive. 2) Rioting and looting is committing more injustices against innocent people and communities. Accountability for both injustices should be easy for us all to agree on."

https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/st...910437376?s=20
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Dan Crenshaw summed it up well for me...he is always positive, looking for a way out of disagreements:

"Two things can be true: 1) a clear injustice was committed and George Floyd should be alive. 2) Rioting and looting is committing more injustices against innocent people and communities. Accountability for both injustices should be easy for us all to agree on."

https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/st...910437376?s=20
I would say that‘s no different than what many people have said. What positive actions has he suggested?
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Dan Crenshaw summed it up well for me...he is always positive, looking for a way out of disagreements:

"Two things can be true: 1) a clear injustice was committed and George Floyd should be alive. 2) Rioting and looting is committing more injustices against innocent people and communities. Accountability for both injustices should be easy for us all to agree on."

https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/st...910437376?s=20



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I have some red-necked relatives. Their views cannot be prettified. They are racists.
And their racist views are being reinforced by the behaviour of (some) black protestors/rioters.
There are dozens if not more of videos showing black people attacking white people.
People will see what they want to see.

Trump - bigot taking that bible and standing infront of the chruch.
Trump - representing decent Americans and trying to uphold law and order.

It must be very disheartening for the decent black folk watching this unfold.
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Trump - bigot taking that bible and standing infront of the chruch.
Trump - representing decent Americans and trying to uphold law and order.
Religious community - calling him a wanker for trying to use religion for political purposes.
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Ironic and really crazy! First they had lockdown and now curfew
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Ironic and really crazy! First they had lockdown and now curfew
Just like in Italy for the virus!

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If we go by figures, so far in 2020, 31 black people had been shot by the police (42 white people).
And what is the population ratio? What percentage is 31 to the total black population, and 42 to the total white population?

There are other deaths, too, like asphyxiation. No shooting in such cases.

Whether it is "bad apples" or not: it is, formally speaking, in terms of their mandate to protect the public, not acceptable for a police officer to kill a civilian, other than in very extreme exceptions of high danger.
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