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Thank goodness we have these unquantifiable concepts we can blame, otherwise we may have to start questioning why a minority community commits such a disproportionate amount of crime.
You are confusing correlation with cause. Not an excuse for a racist attitude?
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Old 06.06.2020, 12:50
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he was arrested, that constitutes custody
Context, context, context. Floyd wasn't not protected but killed. Do keep up there at the back.

As for the rest: You're welcome to trace back this subthread.
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Old 06.06.2020, 12:57
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UN Human Rights Council statements on systemic racism in US

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/...25927&LangID=E
Ah, well nothing to see there then, since the U.S. withdrew from the Human Rights Council. Fake news and all that.

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Thank goodness we have these unquantifiable concepts we can blame, otherwise we may have to start questioning why a minority community commits such a disproportionate amount of crime.
Do minorities really commit more crimes, or are they more likely to be arrested based on bias and end up getting convicted also based on bias? I think it's not as straightforward as it seems, and the narrative that blacks or minorities commit more crimes conditions people to continue to think less of "those people".

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Context, context, context. Floyd wasn't not protected but killed. Do keep up there at the back.
Call me nuts but if you kill me after arresting me (i.e. I'm in custody) then you did everything except protect me. Or is my sarcasm detector broke again and you were kidding?
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Old 06.06.2020, 13:14
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Call me nuts but if you kill me after arresting me (i.e. I'm in custody) then you did everything except protect me. Or is my sarcasm detector broke again and you were kidding?
No sarcasm to detect here, there's none.

Why would the two issues (killing someone vs [not] having to protect the public) even be related?
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Old 06.06.2020, 13:18
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No sarcasm to detect here, there's none.

Why would the two issues (killing someone vs [not] having to protect the public) even be related?
Ah, I misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about protecting the person in custody as opposed to protecting the public. Police should take reasonable care not to injure or kill someone in custody while they're doing their job.
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Old 06.06.2020, 13:25
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Do minorities really commit more crimes, or are they more likely to be arrested based on bias and end up getting convicted also based on bias? I think it's not as, straightforward as it seems, and the narrative that blacks or minorities commit more crimes conditions people to continue to think less of "those people".
Apparently they do (the black community anyway, other minorities are somehow able to overcome the white supremacy and be sucessful)

But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey. This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crime
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Old 06.06.2020, 13:30
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Call me nuts but if you kill me after arresting me (i.e. I'm in custody) then you did everything except protect me. Or is my sarcasm detector broke again and you were kidding?
Absolutely, but then begs the questions, whether the meth and fentanyl in your system somehow made your more susceptible to the 2 pre-existing health conditions you have had and in turn, less likely to be able to withstand physical pressures exerted to you, from breaking the law.
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Absolutely, but then begs the questions, whether the meth and fentanyl in your system somehow made your more susceptible to the 2 pre-existing health conditions you have had and in turn, less likely to be able to withstand physical pressures exerted to you, from breaking the law.
Well, if your condition for whatever reason isnt perfect could you just inform the police officer that you cannot breathe and hed for sure accept that, no?
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Old 06.06.2020, 14:07
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Well, if your condition for whatever reason isn’t perfect could you just inform the police officer that you cannot breathe and he’d for sure accept that, no?
No, you're right. I am not negating the fact, that the police didn't behave in a manner unbecoming an officer. Absolutely. I'm just saying that if the person involved, hadn't been a criminal under the influence of drugs and suffering from several health conditions, that the outcome most likely would have been different.
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No, you're right. I am not negating the fact, that the police didn't behave in a manner unbecoming an officer. Absolutely. I'm just saying that if the person involved, hadn't been a criminal under the influence of drugs and suffering from several health conditions, that the outcome most likely would have been different.

no, it most likely wouldn't. Any person with training in grappling could tell you that.

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Old 06.06.2020, 14:53
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Ah, well nothing to see there then, since the U.S. withdrew from the Human Rights Council. Fake news and all that.
I think any shred of credibility that the Human Rights Council had left vanished the moment they let the likes of China and Saudi Arabia join their ranks!
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Old 06.06.2020, 16:13
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No, you're right. I am not negating the fact, that the police didn't behave in a manner unbecoming an officer. Absolutely. I'm just saying that if the person involved, hadn't been a criminal under the influence of drugs and suffering from several health conditions, that the outcome most likely would have been different.
Yes, hed likely be sitting in jail unable to make bail (set at a level well in excess of $20) until he accepts a plea bargain that puts him in prison for some years and gives him a criminal record meaning he wont ever be able to get an above minimum wage job. His partner and child will be left to fend for themselves and become just another statistic proving that minorities are less good than whites.

All without any proof that he knowingly committed a crime.
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Yes, hed likely be sitting in jail unable to make bail (set at a level well in excess of $20) until he accepts a plea bargain that puts him in prison for some years and gives him a criminal record
He already had one.

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He already had one.

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Irrelevant, given the US system.
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Old 06.06.2020, 17:44
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that the police didn't behave in a manner unbecoming an officer.
Unbecoming? He's a murderer
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Irrelevant, given the US system.
What's that supposed to mean? That we should doubt any conviction because 'America'?


Anyway, he served 5 years for aggravated robbery. That's robbery with a deadly weapon.
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What's that supposed to mean? That we should doubt any conviction because 'America'?


Anyway, he served 5 years for aggravated robbery. That's robbery with a deadly weapon.
To be precise, that's a home invasion, where he put a pistol to a pregnant woman's belly and then proceeded to rob her.
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Thank goodness we have these unquantifiable concepts we can blame, otherwise we may have to start questioning why a minority community commits such a disproportionate amount of crime.
People have already questioned that. You should really try to educate yourself about the correlation between crime and poverty. After that, please educate yourself about the ways in which the system in the US is designed to trap people in poverty.
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No, you're right. I am not negating the fact, that the police didn't behave in a manner unbecoming an officer. Absolutely. I'm just saying that if the person involved, hadn't been a criminal under the influence of drugs and suffering from several health conditions, that the outcome most likely would have been different.
He was chocked to death. For nine minutes. He was unconscious for about 7 or 8 of them. It really does not matter how healthy you are - if you are chocked till you black out and then for a significant time... you die. Its really that simple. The attempts to dilute the story with the obvious attempts to shame the victim make me just as sick as the actual death.
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He was chocked to death. For nine minutes. He was unconscious for about 7 or 8 of them. It really does not matter how healthy you are - if you are chocked till you black out and then for a significant time... you die. Its really that simple. The attempts to dilute the story with the obvious attempts to shame the victim make me just as sick as the actual death.
Exactly. While he was on the ground, and someone above him had their knee pressing down on his neck. And while he said: "I can't breathe," until he passed out, and then, indeed, he could breathe no longer, at all.

Thank you for putting it this clearly. As you say, it's really that simple.
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