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Do you think that stealing stuff will bring multiple innocent people back to life?
Do you think that looters and violence are advancing or preventing a discussion on the root issues here?
Because pointing on those looters doesn't have anything with the problems. They are looters, some opportunists.
Btw. very often, some interested parties have their own agitators inside protests. Sometimes, there are agitators from opposite sides, working on the same goal: push the protests into zone of violence, because than you have an excused to use even more violence.
When you have protest against the police who is murdering people, whom you are going to call? The police? It's better to call Ghost-busters, at least they are not going to shoot people.
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Old 29.05.2020, 16:18
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Interesting, turns out killer cop & George Floyd were coworkers for 17 yrs - pre-meditated murder?
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Old 29.05.2020, 16:38
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Because pointing on those looters doesn't have anything with the problems. They are looters, some opportunists.
They are not "some looters" but large numbers of them. They point to a general lack of trust, civility and solidarity within society. Actually the same problem that is at the root of police killing innocents. A society out of control, in which your co-citizen is your greatest enemy.

These things will not stop until trust, civility and solidarity can be rebuilt.

It's not "but the looting". It's "and the looting".

The police is not the only thing that's wrong with America. The police only reflect the broader society from which they are recruited.
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Old 29.05.2020, 16:46
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Its questionable whether he was trying to kill him?
When I was in the military, we had regular training in arresting people, especially before WEF deployments.

Sometimes you do have to kneel on someones (upper) back to cuff him safely. The instructors repeated like a mantra: Never kneel on the neck, always check circulation, someone needs to look at the arrested persons face.

At best that was really poor training, I would tend to negligent homicide.
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Old 29.05.2020, 17:00
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Because pointing on those looters doesn't have anything with the problems. They are looters, some opportunists.
Btw. very often, some interested parties have their own agitators inside protests. Sometimes, there are agitators from opposite sides, working on the same goal: push the protests into zone of violence, because than you have an excused to use even more violence.
When you have protest against the police who is murdering people, whom you are going to call? The police? It's better to call Ghost-busters, at least they are not going to shoot people.
Absolutely. It'a a technique. In order to discredit any civil protests, bring some agitators.

Good that you pointed that out.
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Old 29.05.2020, 17:02
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Interesting, turns out killer cop & George Floyd were coworkers for 17 yrs - pre-meditated murder?
I was thinking from the beginning that something was different here. Most victims that reach this level of attention fit the same sort of approximate demographic. Teenagers or young adults in the angry young man phase of their life who may either trigger bad associations of previous encounters the police had, or may even have actively been provocative and caused panic and fear reactions among the police officers concerned. This often can be put down to poor or insufficient training of the officers concerned and misreading of a situation. Here we have a 40-something dad who appears to have led a respectable life and been of resectable demeanour who tries, knowlingly or otherwise, to pass off a fake 20 dollar bill. He didn't, as far as we know, resist arrest or threaten violence. So it would seem at least possible there is something else to the story.
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Old 29.05.2020, 17:45
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Do you think that stealing stuff will bring multiple innocent people back to life?

Do you think that looters and violence are advancing or preventing a discussion on the root issues here?
Well have a look at what people do to each other on Black Friday. Any difference to looters and violence?And alot of those at Black Friday, if they could loot and know they can get away with it, they would loot.
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Old 29.05.2020, 17:57
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So it would seem at least possible there is something else to the story.
Yes, he was shopping while black.

Why don’t you wait until the facts are in, before automatically assuming the black man must be at fault.
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Old 29.05.2020, 18:15
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So it would seem at least possible there is something else to the story.
Well yeah, like racism.

I can't for the life of me imagine any situation that would excuse kneeling on an unarmed and apparently cooperative guy's neck until he's dead. Even if armed I couldn't excuse it. Reminds me of that god awful scene in American History X, which to this date I can't watch.

Starting to look an awful lot like a Rodney King situation.
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Old 29.05.2020, 18:56
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

The American Police has being militarized for the last few decades, both in equipment and training and thinking and attitude and a military needs an enemy, without a clear enemy the civilians will become a substitute.
I don´t even think it´s about race per-se, but cops are more likely to be injured by a black man and will act accordingly.
Racial profiling, well yes, mixed with pattern recognition and you get dead black guys.
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Yes, he was shopping while black.

Why don’t you wait until the facts are in, before automatically assuming the black man must be at fault.
While we're discussing the facts you might want to add that he was 'shopping' with counterfeit money while black.
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Old 29.05.2020, 19:18
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While we're discussing the facts you might want to add that he was 'shopping' with counterfeit money while black.
Do you know he did that on purpose or maybe he got that when paying somewhere else? There´s a lot of counterfeit money around and not everyone who has a counterfeit bill in their hands uses that knowingly
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Absolutely. It'a a technique. In order to discredit any civil protests, bring some agitators.

Good that you pointed that out.
Nope. Criminals take advantage of legitimate protest. It's the CIA who want you to believe it's a consipracy.
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While we're discussing the facts you might want to add that he was 'shopping' with counterfeit money while black.
Yeah. 20$. Maybe with intent, maybe not, maybe he knew it was fake, maybe he didn't, maybe he printed it himself, maybe not.

Either way: t-w-e-n-t-y dollars. He wasn't caught printing a few million, he didn't try to buy a Lamborghini, or get rid of it otherwise, or whatever else.

In normal countries that would probably lead to a fine. Or even nothing given the small amount, esp if no proof that he knew. It wouldn't lead to, you know, death.
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In normal countries that would probably lead to a fine. Or even nothing given the small amount, esp if no proof that he knew.
Probably not when you have priors for drugs, theft and a five year stint for aggravated burglary.

Anyway i'm not excusing or justifying the response, just pointing out that he may have been doing a bit more than just shopping as was claimed.
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Yeah. 20$. Maybe with intent, maybe not, maybe he knew it was fake, maybe he didn't, maybe he printed it himself, maybe not.

Either way: t-w-e-n-t-y dollars. He wasn't caught printing a few million, he didn't try to buy a Lamborghini, or get rid of it otherwise, or whatever else.

In normal countries that would probably lead to a fine. Or even nothing given the small amount, esp if no proof that he knew. It wouldn't lead to, you know, death.
Whats more important is what the cop did.
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Probably not when you have priors for drugs, theft and a five year stint for aggravated burglary.

Anyway i'm not excusing or justifying the response, just pointing out that he may have been doing a bit more than just shopping as was claimed.
We still don’t have the facts. Or any video other than that filmed by a bystander.
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Nope. Criminals take advantage of legitimate protest. It's the CIA who want you to believe it's a consipracy.

What does CIA want you to believe?
And do you listen to them?
I don't believe anything about what's going on there as I don't know much about these latest incidents, you've misread a bit my post. Answered to someone else, don't read it out of context.

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We still don’t have the facts. Or any video other than that filmed by a bystander.
Exactly. But it looked pretty bad.
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Old 29.05.2020, 21:44
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Cop charged with murder. Finally some step towards justice.

If he gets off without punishment, it’ll definitely be a 1992 LA situation methinks
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

I have no respect for those who loot. They are no better than those they are protesting.
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