Probably the motto of any emigrant.


Jokes aside, I think America does get a lot of attention these days. And not only because of Trump. But it's always like that, once you entered the international media's mill....as you said, they usually don't show the peaceful protesters/protests. The "silent majority". It's always like that.

But, ironically, she wasn’t allowed to attend the premiere of the film in Atlanta because she was black. At the Oscar ceremony she and her escort were required to sit at a segregated table for two at the far wall of the room. The hotel had a strict no-blacks policy, but allowed McDaniel in as a favor. The discrimination continued after the award ceremony as her white costars went to a "no-blacks" club, where McDaniel was also denied entry.

Another black woman did not win an Oscar again for 50 years, with Whoopi Goldberg winning Best Supporting Actress for her role in Ghost.

So you have to take down an American classic which describes an era and its ethos because of that? She wasn't allowed to attend the premiere because of the segregationist authorities at that time, not because of the Oscar Committee.


What's next? Napoleon's statue? Seriously? I don't want to be part of this madness and hypocrisy. If you look for approval for these vastly unnecessary "grand" gestures look somewhere else. That won't eradicate racism.

I’ve never thought of gone with the wind as anything but a glorification of racism and silly people. I first saw it as teenager and thought it was melodramatic crap. Still do.

Migros had taken its " Mohrenköpfe " chocolate out of its shop.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerche...t-511478808714

I wonder if someday it will be forbidden to say " black heads" ( pimples )

It begs the question how anyone thought replacing N-Kopf with Mohrenkopf was an improvement in matters.

N-Kuss obviously, no N-Kopf. This forum doesn't seem to have an edit function though.

Why not call it a Choci-Kiss ( or is that to provocative for Migros )

Why is it madness and hypocrisy to realise that maybe these statues are well past their best by date ?

I learnt the about the East India Company at school. All dates, putting down Indian rebellions etc. No discussion of the exploitation, racism and greed involved. Coming to terms with the past is something all countries/societies have problems with. IMHO the (west)germans have been much more successful in this in recent times than either the english or the americans.

The ironic thing is that President Trump's administration has made many changes that have improved matters, certainly in criminal justice, for black people: he signed into law the First Step Act to reduce prison populations and giving much more flexibility with mandatory sentencing (something that disproportionately affects black people), he's toned down the war on drugs that was often focused around black communities, before the Coronavirus crisis black employment was at its highest ever levels.

President Trump could have pointed at these achievements yet as ever his paper thin skin and political naivety led him to take this personally and tweet all that crazy stuff. In the short term it's lost him support, but as the situation escalates he may well win it back well in time for the election.

You think? That's because there's no racism/anti-semitism in (west) germany? Right.

Anyways, I don't need to be convinced of anything, to quote someone on this forum I shall "preciously keep my freedom of thought".

Theres no " west Germany ". Theres only Germany.

Perhaps. It was a good love story, albeit melodramatic, for the time it was produced. Perhaps that's why so many people (women) watched it with so much interest. Mediocre cinematographic art judging by our times - absolutely. I guess context is everything.

No problem. There is no point in preaching to the converted. What I enjoy is an informed intelligent discussion.
I didn't say there is no racism or anti-semitism in west germany.

The problems are not solved, but removing glaring images of racism is entirely logical and reasonable to me. Just we have viewed many of these images through tainted glasses in the past.

Who gets to decide which statues are racist and need to come down?

[PEDANT]IIRC It was the Federal Republic of Germany which was reunified with the German Democratic Republic and West Berlin in 1990 to become Bundesrepublik Deutschland (Federal Republic of Germany)[/PEDANT]

The people who want to eradicate the past because they can't accept it

If it is in Switzerland, we will have to prepare a concept, publish the concept, hear depositions to the concept, prepare a plan, work out who is going to pay for it and then have a vote. It will then be noticed that the result is in contradiction to existing bilateral agreements for the removal of racist statues and a new concept is required. Everyone agrees that the National Bank should pay .

The next statue to come down will be Robert Baden-Powell in Poole. Boris Johnson has lost it, 80 seat majority and he's allowing the country to be run by a small bunch of crazy, violent Marxists intent on rewriting history, looting and disorder

If the state doesn't put a stop to this madness then the people will start to do so. I fully expect the next round of protests to be attended by Britain First and like minded racist thugs.

They said lockdown would have an effect on mental health, I never expected things to deteriorate this badly though! This is now a time for leadership!

Nonsense.
The Germans were responsible for the biggest conflict the world has ever seen, with @80 million deaths, 6 million of them Jews in extermination camps, and all that in living memory with the perpatrators still walking about and being relatives of theirs.



Why would the Brits have anything to come to terms with events of over 200 years ago? Maybe at the time a great many people came to terms with it anyway and the hand wringing is over and done with.