Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #581  
Old 11.06.2020, 07:18
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 10,586
Groaned at 343 Times in 279 Posts
Thanked 15,402 Times in 7,904 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
In all honesty, sometimes I think there is a very fine line between American culture and mental illness. And being tired of having to deal with crazy, irrational and unstable people is one of the reasons I was happy to move out of the
Probably the motto of any emigrant.


Jokes aside, I think America does get a lot of attention these days. And not only because of Trump. But it's always like that, once you entered the international media's mill....as you said, they usually don't show the peaceful protesters/protests. The "silent majority". It's always like that.

Last edited by greenmount; 11.06.2020 at 07:34.
Reply With Quote
  #582  
Old 11.06.2020, 08:02
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nyon
Posts: 4,606
Groaned at 237 Times in 173 Posts
Thanked 6,292 Times in 2,958 Posts
bowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
But of course. Ironically, it was also the movie for which Hattie McDaniel was the first black artist to receive an Oscar (for best supporting actress).
But, ironically, she wasn’t allowed to attend the premiere of the film in Atlanta because she was black. At the Oscar ceremony she and her escort were required to sit at a segregated table for two at the far wall of the room. The hotel had a strict no-blacks policy, but allowed McDaniel in as a favor. The discrimination continued after the award ceremony as her white costars went to a "no-blacks" club, where McDaniel was also denied entry.

Another black woman did not win an Oscar again for 50 years, with Whoopi Goldberg winning Best Supporting Actress for her role in Ghost.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank bowlie for this useful post:
  #583  
Old 11.06.2020, 08:19
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 10,586
Groaned at 343 Times in 279 Posts
Thanked 15,402 Times in 7,904 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
But, ironically, she wasn’t allowed to attend the premiere of the film in Atlanta because she was black. At the Oscar ceremony she and her escort were required to sit at a segregated table for two at the far wall of the room. The hotel had a strict no-blacks policy, but allowed McDaniel in as a favor. The discrimination continued after the award ceremony as her white costars went to a "no-blacks" club, where McDaniel was also denied entry.

Another black woman did not win an Oscar again for 50 years, with Whoopi Goldberg winning Best Supporting Actress for her role in Ghost.
So you have to take down an American classic which describes an era and its ethos because of that? She wasn't allowed to attend the premiere because of the segregationist authorities at that time, not because of the Oscar Committee.


What's next? Napoleon's statue? Seriously? I don't want to be part of this madness and hypocrisy. If you look for approval for these vastly unnecessary "grand" gestures look somewhere else. That won't eradicate racism.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #584  
Old 11.06.2020, 08:26
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Kt Zurich
Posts: 743
Groaned at 21 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 2,547 Times in 898 Posts
ennui has a reputation beyond reputeennui has a reputation beyond reputeennui has a reputation beyond reputeennui has a reputation beyond reputeennui has a reputation beyond reputeennui has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
So you have to take down an American classic which describes an era and its ethos because of that? She wasn't allowed to attend the premiere because of the segregationist authorities at that time, not because of the Oscar Committee.


What's next? Napoleon's statue? Seriously? I don't want to be part of this madness and hypocrisy. If you look for approval for these vastly unnecessary "grand" gestures look somewhere else. That won't eradicate racism.
I’ve never thought of gone with the wind as anything but a glorification of racism and silly people. I first saw it as teenager and thought it was melodramatic crap. Still do.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank ennui for this useful post:
  #585  
Old 11.06.2020, 08:32
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,918
Groaned at 2,037 Times in 1,121 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Migros had taken its " Mohrenköpfe " chocolate out of its shop.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerche...t-511478808714

I wonder if someday it will be forbidden to say " black heads" ( pimples )
Reply With Quote
  #586  
Old 11.06.2020, 08:34
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
Migros had taken its " Mohrenköpfe " chocolate out of its shop.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerche...t-511478808714

I wonder if someday it will be forbidden to say " black heads" ( pimples )
It begs the question how anyone thought replacing N-Kopf with Mohrenkopf was an improvement in matters.
Reply With Quote
  #587  
Old 11.06.2020, 08:36
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
It begs the question how anyone thought replacing N-Kopf with Mohrenkopf was an improvement in matters.
N-Kuss obviously, no N-Kopf. This forum doesn't seem to have an edit function though.
Reply With Quote
  #588  
Old 11.06.2020, 08:38
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,918
Groaned at 2,037 Times in 1,121 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
N-Kuss obviously, no N-Kopf. This forum doesn't seem to have an edit function though.
Why not call it a Choci-Kiss ( or is that to provocative for Migros )
Reply With Quote
  #589  
Old 11.06.2020, 08:39
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Risch
Posts: 726
Groaned at 35 Times in 21 Posts
Thanked 786 Times in 401 Posts
KiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
So you have to take down an American classic which describes an era and its ethos because of that? She wasn't allowed to attend the premiere because of the segregationist authorities at that time, not because of the Oscar Committee.


What's next? Napoleon's statue? Seriously? I don't want to be part of this madness and hypocrisy. If you look for approval for these vastly unnecessary "grand" gestures look somewhere else. That won't eradicate racism.
Why is it madness and hypocrisy to realise that maybe these statues are well past their best by date ?

I learnt the about the East India Company at school. All dates, putting down Indian rebellions etc. No discussion of the exploitation, racism and greed involved. Coming to terms with the past is something all countries/societies have problems with. IMHO the (west)germans have been much more successful in this in recent times than either the english or the americans.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank KiwiSteve for this useful post:
  #590  
Old 11.06.2020, 08:49
TonyClifton's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 1,239
Groaned at 479 Times in 277 Posts
Thanked 3,018 Times in 1,347 Posts
TonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
Let's wait and see. So far he's lost ground in the polls since the riots began. But in the weeks and months to come that could well reverse as the Dems need to decide which of the protester's goals they want to unite behind and which they want to oppose, which will probably set them up fighting one another.
The ironic thing is that President Trump's administration has made many changes that have improved matters, certainly in criminal justice, for black people: he signed into law the First Step Act to reduce prison populations and giving much more flexibility with mandatory sentencing (something that disproportionately affects black people), he's toned down the war on drugs that was often focused around black communities, before the Coronavirus crisis black employment was at its highest ever levels.

President Trump could have pointed at these achievements yet as ever his paper thin skin and political naivety led him to take this personally and tweet all that crazy stuff. In the short term it's lost him support, but as the situation escalates he may well win it back well in time for the election.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank TonyClifton for this useful post:
  #591  
Old 11.06.2020, 08:52
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 10,586
Groaned at 343 Times in 279 Posts
Thanked 15,402 Times in 7,904 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
Coming to terms with the past is something all countries/societies have problems with. IMHO the (west)germans have been much more successful in this in recent times than either the english or the americans.
You think? That's because there's no racism/anti-semitism in (west) germany? Right.

Anyways, I don't need to be convinced of anything, to quote someone on this forum I shall "preciously keep my freedom of thought".
Reply With Quote
  #592  
Old 11.06.2020, 08:54
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,918
Groaned at 2,037 Times in 1,121 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
You think? That's because there's no racism/anti-semitism in (west) germany? Right.

Anyways, I don't need to be convinced of anything, to quote someone on this forum I shall "preciously keep my freedom of thought".
Theres no " west Germany ". Theres only Germany.
Reply With Quote
  #593  
Old 11.06.2020, 08:59
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 10,586
Groaned at 343 Times in 279 Posts
Thanked 15,402 Times in 7,904 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
I’ve never thought of gone with the wind as anything but a glorification of racism and silly people. I first saw it as teenager and thought it was melodramatic crap. Still do.
Perhaps. It was a good love story, albeit melodramatic, for the time it was produced. Perhaps that's why so many people (women) watched it with so much interest. Mediocre cinematographic art judging by our times - absolutely. I guess context is everything.
Reply With Quote
  #594  
Old 11.06.2020, 09:02
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Risch
Posts: 726
Groaned at 35 Times in 21 Posts
Thanked 786 Times in 401 Posts
KiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
You think? That's because there's no racism/anti-semitism in (west) germany? Right.

Anyways, I don't need to be convinced of anything, to quote someone on this forum I shall "preciously keep my freedom of thought".
No problem. There is no point in preaching to the converted. What I enjoy is an informed intelligent discussion.
I didn't say there is no racism or anti-semitism in west germany.

The problems are not solved, but removing glaring images of racism is entirely logical and reasonable to me. Just we have viewed many of these images through tainted glasses in the past.
Reply With Quote
  #595  
Old 11.06.2020, 09:04
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Bern
Posts: 289
Groaned at 201 Times in 108 Posts
Thanked 995 Times in 467 Posts
Full Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Who gets to decide which statues are racist and need to come down?
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Full Circle for this useful post:
  #596  
Old 11.06.2020, 09:07
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nyon
Posts: 4,606
Groaned at 237 Times in 173 Posts
Thanked 6,292 Times in 2,958 Posts
bowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
Theres no " west Germany ". Theres only Germany.
[PEDANT]IIRC It was the Federal Republic of Germany which was reunified with the German Democratic Republic and West Berlin in 1990 to become Bundesrepublik Deutschland (Federal Republic of Germany)[/PEDANT]
Reply With Quote
  #597  
Old 11.06.2020, 09:09
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,918
Groaned at 2,037 Times in 1,121 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
Who gets to decide which statues are racist and need to come down?
The people who want to eradicate the past because they can't accept it
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank omtatsat for this useful post:
  #598  
Old 11.06.2020, 09:10
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Risch
Posts: 726
Groaned at 35 Times in 21 Posts
Thanked 786 Times in 401 Posts
KiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
Who gets to decide which statues are racist and need to come down?
If it is in Switzerland, we will have to prepare a concept, publish the concept, hear depositions to the concept, prepare a plan, work out who is going to pay for it and then have a vote. It will then be noticed that the result is in contradiction to existing bilateral agreements for the removal of racist statues and a new concept is required. Everyone agrees that the National Bank should pay .
Reply With Quote
  #599  
Old 11.06.2020, 09:10
TonyClifton's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 1,239
Groaned at 479 Times in 277 Posts
Thanked 3,018 Times in 1,347 Posts
TonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

The next statue to come down will be Robert Baden-Powell in Poole. Boris Johnson has lost it, 80 seat majority and he's allowing the country to be run by a small bunch of crazy, violent Marxists intent on rewriting history, looting and disorder

If the state doesn't put a stop to this madness then the people will start to do so. I fully expect the next round of protests to be attended by Britain First and like minded racist thugs.

They said lockdown would have an effect on mental health, I never expected things to deteriorate this badly though! This is now a time for leadership!
Reply With Quote
  #600  
Old 11.06.2020, 09:15
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: BaselStadt
Posts: 494
Groaned at 91 Times in 42 Posts
Thanked 974 Times in 393 Posts
CodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Quote:
View Post
Coming to terms with the past is something all countries/societies have problems with. IMHO the (west)germans have been much more successful in this in recent times than either the english or the americans.
Nonsense.
The Germans were responsible for the biggest conflict the world has ever seen, with @80 million deaths, 6 million of them Jews in extermination camps, and all that in living memory with the perpatrators still walking about and being relatives of theirs.



Why would the Brits have anything to come to terms with events of over 200 years ago? Maybe at the time a great many people came to terms with it anyway and the hand wringing is over and done with.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank CodPeace for this useful post:
The following 2 users groan at CodPeace for this post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Monkey Town (no racial slur) Harrie Nak Family matters/health 35 23.08.2019 16:15
Racial Profiling sommerindian Other/general 28 11.11.2015 15:38
Mixed racial marriages cannut International affairs/politics 84 05.12.2011 12:25
Criminal law provisions against racial discrimination Aryans Other/general 6 08.06.2011 08:42
Racial frustrations canadian.in.zurich Complaints corner 118 26.05.2008 22:25


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 21:53.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0