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Or people pretending to be noobs, after regretting they deleted their previous account?
Not sure what you mean, although I doubt anybody who has left regrets it.
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BBC and Netflix have just dropped Little Britain (BBC TV comedy series) because of its racial content.

The pendulum is swinging quickly and dangerously...
They've also pulled The Mighty Boosh and the League of Gentlemen, because of Papa Lazarou!!!

Papa Lazarou is a characature of a clown, not a black man!!! FFS!!!!
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They've also pulled The Mighty Boosh and the League of Gentlemen, because of Papa Lazarou!!!

Papa Lazarou is a characature of a clown, not a black man!!! FFS!!!!
Now now, just because you had your gollywog taken away from you when you were little
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They've also pulled The Mighty Boosh and the League of Gentlemen, because of Papa Lazarou!!!

Papa Lazarou is a characature of a clown, not a black man!!! FFS!!!!
Papa Lazarou has so many tropes it is hard to pick the character apart...from blackface to selling pegs.

I think the creators seem smart, reasonable people, so I await with interest their response to this.
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So you equate being of Anglo heritage to being the long arm of the British empire? And you don't think that's racist?
No I don't. The anglo-SA relationship was rather more intimate - the English government never really distanced itself from the apartheid regime.
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Now now, just because you had your gollywog taken away from you when you were little
Haha, spot the Antipodean.
The civilised world started calling them Gollys about 30 years ago.
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Haha, spot the Antipodean.
The civilised world started calling them Gollys about 30 years ago.
Because the name of the character was the most offensive thing about it, obviously
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The people who want to eradicate the past because they can't accept it
Statues of Columbus of all statues......
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Statues of Columbus in Boston, Miami and Virginia have been vandalised.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53005243

Seriously, can anyone here defend that?

Anyway, I shall get my coat...
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Statues of Columbus of all statues......

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53005243

Seriously, can anyone here defend that?

Anyway, I shall get my coat...
Hope you are not on your way out to eat fajitas.

Great business idea stolen from memento park:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_Park

A statue cemetery: no shortage of candidates, could be organised on themes with educational material available, where when and why the statue arrived for "burial" no eradication of history

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Statues of Columbus of all statues......

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53005243

Seriously, can anyone here defend that?

Anyway, I shall get my coat...
Yeah, that's the level of idiocy we're dealing with now. What's next, they want some Victorian show, what's that youse people watch all the time. . .Downtown Abdel...Downtown Abu whatever it's called to include minorities, but God forbid they're depicting anything less than a Lord.


They're now changing the definition of racism.

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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Christopher Columbus and his crew tortured native Americans when they arrived in the Americas. They would do things like slowly burn the indigenous people and their children alive over fires until and unless they converted to Catholicism (this is why so many people in central and south America today are Catholic). The Spaniards would also steal the native Americans' gold and murder them to do so. I had to read a book about all of this in a class in university.

Growing up in the US, you learn and hear about Christoper Columbus as being a hero, but in truth, he participated in and condoned the torture and murder of indigenous Americans, including their children.

He is not someone that I would encourage children or anyone to revere as a hero.

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Christopher Columbus and his crew tortured native Americans when they arrived in the Americas. They would do things like literally slowly burn the indigenous people and their children alive over fires until and unless they converted to Catholicism (this is why so many people in central and south America today are Catholic). The Spaniards would also steal the native Americans' gold and murder them to do so. I had to read a book about all of this in a class in university.

Growing up in the US, you learn and hear about Christoper Columbus as being a hero, but in truth, he participated in and condoned the torture and murder of indigenous Americans, including their children.

He is not someone that I would encourage children or anyone to revere as a hero.
He just happened to discover a whole new continent but that was just his side hustle I presume.
Maybe, just maybe it was a whole different aera back then and such practices were socially acceptable; especially since the Catholic monarchs were picking up the tab for frolicking about in the Caribbean.
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He just happened to discover a whole new continent but that was just his side hustle I presume.
Maybe, just maybe it was a whole different aera back then and such practices were socially acceptable; especially since the Catholic monarchs were picking up the tab for frolicking about in the Caribbean.
sounds like a good reason to ban catholicism
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He just happened to discover a whole new continent but that was just his side hustle I presume.
Maybe, just maybe it was a whole different aera back then and such practices were socially acceptable; especially since the Catholic monarchs were picking up the tab for frolicking about in the Caribbean.
Being "a whole different era" back then doesn't mean that it should be considered okay today. The enslavement of blacks in the US and elsewhere is also a "whole different era" but that doesn't mean it's something we should be proud of.

And yes, he did bump into a whole new continent, but it was one that was already inhabited.
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Hope you are not on your way out to eat fajitas.

Great business idea stolen from memento park:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_Park

A statue cemetery: no shortage of candidates, could be organised on themes with educational material available, where when and why the statue arrived for "burial" no eradication of history

I happen to consider historical revisionism ridiculous, that's all. It shouldn't prevent us from exchanging ideas. If you think it does, I'll just leave it to you.

Do I agree with the treatment that native Americans were subjected to? Absolutely not. But that should have been obvious from the beginning, I didn't even think someone could honestly doubt that. The lack of statues of Columbus won't improve their status though. (for which Columbus is not responsible for a very, very, very long time...)

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He just happened to discover a whole new continent but that was just his side hustle I presume.
Maybe, just maybe it was a whole different aera back then and such practices were socially acceptable; especially since the Catholic monarchs were picking up the tab for frolicking about in the Caribbean.
Discovered in the way he was probably about the millionth human to set foot on that land.
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Hope you are not on your way out to eat fajitas.

Great business idea stolen from memento park:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_Park

A statue cemetery: no shortage of candidates, could be organised on themes with educational material available, where when and why the statue arrived for "burial" no eradication of history
Memento Park ia one of my favourite places in Budpest, and I've been there several times. Good place for photography actually.

The odd thing about is that it is ambigiuous.

You get old time communists coming on buses with their zimmer frames and nurses to worship their old time idols and sing jolly songs about crushing capitalists and how much they love Lenin, any you get random folks coming to take in the absurdity of it all. And neither group seems bothered by the other. Each only sees in those statues what they want to see. The gift shop caters to both crowds. I bought myself a cheap commie medal. The actual "educational" material provided doesn't really say much of interest (not to overstate a fine point), but if you go on a guided tour you learn much more, and I guess the tour guides adapt their narrative to the audience.

I'm sure if you had a place like that in the USA it wouldn't work.
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Memento Park ia one of my favourite places in Budpest, and I've been there several times. Good place for photography actually.

The odd thing about is that it is ambigiuous.

You get old time communists coming on buses with their zimmer frames and nurses to worship their old time idols and sing jolly songs about crushing capitalists and how much they love Lenin, any you get random folks coming to take in the absurdity of it all. And neither group seems bothered by the other. The gift shop caters to both crowds. The actual "educational" material provided doesn't really say much of interest, but if you go on a guided tour you learn much more, and I guess the tour guides adapt their narrative to the audience.

I'm sure if you had a place like that in the USA it wouldn't work.
KiwiSteve wants to open a business like this he knows where, just let him be. It might even work out, who knows.

I think though that Heroes Square in Budapest attracts more tourists.

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sounds like a good reason to ban catholicism
Yeah, that'll be next on the list.

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Being "a whole different era" back then doesn't mean that it should be considered okay today. The enslavement of blacks in the US and elsewhere is also a "whole different era" but that doesn't mean it's something we should be proud of.
And yes, he did bump into a whole new continent, but it was one that was already inhabited.
In that case, how for back should we rewind the wheel. Are we going to ban Africa for actually enslaving their own people, because that's pretty much where the part of that history started.

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Yeah well, he got lucky because he brought a notepad and jotted down the coordinates and gave it a name. He landed in Haiti turned to his administrative assistant and said, "alright, make sure you put a label on it". The assistant was like, "the yellow ones we use for the folders?" Columbus getting slighlty irritated because of the heat (and the constant "are we there yet?!" throughout the journey) answered rather harshly "No doofus, take the green ones!". The assistant answered rather insecure "Ok, Chris, whatever you say. What should I name it?" Columbus then lost it completely. "For Pete's sake, name it anything. . . Spanish Land for all I care!" yeah, that's basically how it happened.
When others came around, they saw a big sign from afar "Spanishland" and they knew right away that there was no vacancy at that motel.
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