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Christopher Columbus and his crew tortured native Americans when they arrived in the Americas. They would do things like slowly burn the indigenous people and their children alive over fires until and unless they converted to Catholicism (this is why so many people in central and south America today are Catholic). The Spaniards would also steal the native Americans' gold and murder them to do so. I had to read a book about all of this in a class in university.

Growing up in the US, you learn and hear about Christoper Columbus as being a hero, but in truth, he participated in and condoned the torture and murder of indigenous Americans, including their children.

He is not someone that I would encourage children or anyone to revere as a hero.
Should the Spaniards, for instance, take down the statues of the kings/queens who ran the country during the Inquisition etc etc How far back in time should we go?
Send all these statues to a theme park? Probably, I just think it's vastly unnecessary.
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Christopher Columbus and his crew tortured native Americans when they arrived in the Americas. They would do things like slowly burn the indigenous people and their children alive over fires until and unless they converted to Catholicism (this is why so many people in central and south America today are Catholic). The Spaniards would also steal the native Americans' gold and murder them to do so. I had to read a book about all of this in a class in university.
Just because it was in a book, doesn't make it true. I think you're confusing some general facts concerning Spanish behaviour and specific facts concerning Columbus.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-6094870.html

Anyway, important information - The pop group "Lady Antebellum" are changing their name to Lady A. because Antebellum has connotations with the slavery era. The word antebellum is used to refer to the period and architecture in the US South before the Civil War. They say they took the name from the architectural style, but are "deeply sorry for the hurt this has caused".

There's certainly not doing it for the publicity.

In other news in the UK motorways signs indicating "The South" are to be changed to "The Lower North", due to the former having connotations with slavery in the US.
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Discovered in the way he was probably about the millionth human to set foot on that land.
yes. But they kept quiet. They new that if the white ones found out about it they would for sure destroy it. And they were right.
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It begs the question how anyone thought replacing N-Kopf with Mohrenkopf was an improvement in matters.
I probably have to take Migros out of the range. It doesn't suit me.
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The enslavement of blacks in the US and elsewhere is also a "whole different era" but that doesn't mean it's something we should be proud of.
Most of human history is nothing to be proud of.

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There is so much to be proud of, though, too. I know I will sound like a doofus super upbeat teacher but..American society has made a big progress. I wonder if the rioting masses want recognition and validation of how evil human nature can be or fix things (not sure if college scholarships named after heros will help) or what. Aside of rioting. I could walk them through the Jew concentration camp I grew up next to and we had to make peace with. It doesn't date 500 years ago nor are there any quotas for hires justified by them.

I think peaceful protests are important. But violence is always destructive.

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Just because it was in a book, doesn't make it true. I think you're confusing some general facts concerning Spanish behaviour and specific facts concerning Columbus.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-6094870.html

Anyway, important information - The pop group "Lady Antebellum" are changing their name to Lady A. because Antebellum has connotations with the slavery era. The word antebellum is used to refer to the period and architecture in the US South before the Civil War. They say they took the name from the architectural style, but are "deeply sorry for the hurt this has caused".

There's certainly not doing it for the publicity.

In other news in the UK motorways signs indicating "The South" are to be changed to "The Lower North", due to the former having connotations with slavery in the US.
I am deeply sorry to be born in an Upper North of a country unrelated to the US.
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In other news in the UK motorways signs indicating "The South" are to be changed to "The Lower North", due to the former having connotations with slavery in the US.
Well, this certainly sounds plausible even this far away from 1st. April. Well plausible enough for me to attempt an (unsuccessful) Google search to find a reference to it. Have you a link to back it up ?
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Well, this certainly sounds plausible even this far away from 1st. April. Well plausible enough for me to attempt an (unsuccessful) Google search to find a reference to it. Have you a link to back it up ?
Here you go.
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Should the Spaniards, for instance, take down the statues of the kings/queens who ran the country during the Inquisition etc etc How far back in time should we go?
Send all these statues to a theme park? Probably, I just think it's vastly unnecessary.
Or how far forward. Jefferson owned slaves. Churchill hated Jews. Martin Luther King was a philanderer. Not even Mother Teresa's slate is as squeaky clean as we used to think. I expect we'll learn some nasty things about Obama in time. We're still puting up more monuments to the last three than taking them down, but will that tide turn? Should every generation tear down the heroes of previous generations and start over?
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Here you go.
Good one. The problem with satire now is, especially in matters relates to political correctness, that reality is catching up fast and nothing is too ridiculous to enter into print or into policy.
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Or how far forward. Jefferson owned slaves. Churchill hated Jews. Martin Luther King was a philanderer. Not even Mother Teresa's slate is as squeaky clean as we used to think. I expect we'll learn some nasty things about Obama in time. We're still puting up more monuments to the last three than taking them down, but will that tide turn? Should every generation tear down the heroes of previous generations and start over?
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Christopher Columbus and his crew tortured native Americans when they arrived in the Americas. They would do things like slowly burn the indigenous people and their children alive over fires until and unless they converted to Catholicism (this is why so many people in central and south America today are Catholic). The Spaniards would also steal the native Americans' gold and murder them to do so. I had to read a book about all of this in a class in university.
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They gave them gifts too. I believe 'smallpox' blankets are the the first recorded evidence of biological warfare.
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They gave them gifts too. I believe 'smallpox' blankets are the the first recorded evidence of biological warfare.
The link from Christopher Columbus to the smallpox blankets is rather circuitous. Wasn't that hundreds of years after his death?
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The link from Christopher Columbus to the smallpox blankets is rather circuitous. Wasn't that hundreds of years after his death?
Yep, and there is actually only one case documented in such way that it should be considered proven of which it is unknown if it actually worked.

In the meanwhile Netflix is going to add a Black lives matter category, and Paw Patrol is under fire for being racist and it is disrespectful to those ever bitten by a policedog to have a character named Chase, HBO removed "gone with the wind".

Since we (As in society) allowed them a finger, they now demand more than the whole hand.

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Since we (As in society) allowed them a finger, they now demand more than the whole hand.
Perhaps they should have been allowed the whole hand much earlier, and none of this would have happened.
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Meanwhile, in the UK: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53020335

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Or how far forward. Jefferson owned slaves. Churchill hated Jews. Martin Luther King was a philanderer. Not even Mother Teresa's slate is as squeaky clean as we used to think. I expect we'll learn some nasty things about Obama in time. We're still puting up more monuments to the last three than taking them down, but will that tide turn? Should every generation tear down the heroes of previous generations and start over?
You also forgot one of the most famous racists, a name on everyone's minds when the word racist is mentioned, Robert the Bruce!
Personally I can never fogive his crimes.
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While we are at it, that symbol of the tyrannical rule which Britain suffered at the hands of the Romans during the first to fourth centuries AD, namely Hadrians Wall, should also be high on the list for removal.
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When we are at it, how about Edinburgh castle? Oppression by all those kings.....
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Good one. The problem with satire now is, especially in matters relates to political correctness, that reality is catching up fast and nothing is too ridiculous to enter into print or into policy.
Yes. Some of this stuff you really couldn't make up.
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