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16.06.2020, 11:24
| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Nonsense, there's no way to collect evidence and conduct a fair trial in such a short time. | | | | | Maybe you are unsure what homicide means? If English isn't your first language, that's reasonable. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...dical-examiner | 
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | I'm not American, how racist of you to presume that I am.
Tom | | | | | if you quack like a duck, walk like a duck...
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16.06.2020, 11:32
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | They shot him 3 times in the back! He was running away and no threat to them | | | | | Moral of the story: Never steal a policeman's weapon and attempt to use it on them.
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16.06.2020, 11:40
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | if you quack like a duck, walk like a duck... | | | | | and sh!t like a duck.
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16.06.2020, 11:41
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Moral of the story: Never steal a policeman's weapon and attempt to use it on them. | | | | | Moral of the story, policemen shouldn’t need to carry weapons.
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16.06.2020, 12:10
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | I don't think it's explicitly stated in the article but something along the lines of 'don't resist arrest or steal the policeman's weapon' probably would have helped. | | | | | Reminds me of the old Chris Rock sketch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0m...ature=youtu.be | 
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Moral of the story, policemen shouldn’t need to carry weapons. | | | | | The moral of the story is that once people start tooling up things get quickly out of hands.
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16.06.2020, 13:32
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA
The US policing is similar to my home: police force is used for every conflict. Individuals with mental health problems? Police. Drug abuse? Police. Conflicts among neighbors? Police. Traffic violations? Police. The problem is that all police officers can do is arrest people. They don't have any other tool in their toolkit. Arrest and hope something is solved by it.
Police officers need to be armed to deal with violent crime. Albeit, what makes them capable to deal with violent crime makes them totally unfit to people with mental health problems. I forgot where I read around 10% of 911 calls are for people with mental health problems. Sending an armed police officer trained to use lethal force is not optimal.
I feel for the cops that are in a never ending life of reacting to 911 calls and do nothing beyond arrest. Somehow people fell for the illusion of minimizing police response times to distress calls while wishing the problem goes away magically after an arrest is made. Put in the shoes of one average IQ cop. You get paid for arresting people for misdemeanors and felonies. The incentives in the system are for acting quickly and taking the bad people to local jail. After a couple years into the job, nothing is solved by arrests....all the effort goes nowhere. Even a saint would become distrustful, cynic, and go on full vigilante mode. Another issue is the emphasis on arrest precisely while the crime is being committed. This emphasis is not for free, there's thousands of people that don't attend a court citation, thus the preferred choice is arrest even for low level crime.
Take CH, you can drive at 200 km/hr but there's no high speed police chase on the highway. You're caught by a radar, cited to court and if you fail to appear police takes you to court. If you were intoxicated while driving at 200 km/hr and police decided to engage right away the risk of a bad outcome is much higher that if you drive away and they get you a few days later when you're sober and they're fully prepared for arrest to catch you unprepared. Funny thing is that reckless driving means a couple months in jail in the US compared for a few years in CH.
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16.06.2020, 15:51
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Moral of the story, policemen shouldn’t need to carry weapons. | | | | | Yes. I agree. There should be no crime.
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16.06.2020, 16:20
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Moral of the story, policemen shouldn’t need to carry weapons. | | | | | They do here, and in all of the neighboring countries.
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | They do here, and in all of the neighboring countries.
Tom | | | | | But they don't expect to be confronted by someone that may take their life during every time they interact with the public and that is the difference.
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16.06.2020, 22:56
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA
Tom pointed out that police in Switzerland and all the neighbouring countries carry weapons. Jim answered: | Quote: | |  | | | But they don't expect to be confronted by someone that may take their life during every time they interact with the public and that is the difference. | | | | | Yes, that's true.
Nor does the public expect to be confronted by someone that may take their life during every time they interact with the police. And that's a significant difference, too.
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16.06.2020, 23:12
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Another big difference is that generally cops in the USA are single, alone.. They are attending calls alone, pulling over cars with who knows what inside and it's just one guy / girl vs whatever .
At least here they are normally two or often three cops together .. It's a lot easier to non-lethally restrain somebody with the help of others .. If it's just you, you may have one chance, life or death.
Does it make ok to be trigger happy, no .. but put yourself in that sorry situation, shoot or be shot .. find out later it was a fake gun or a phone.. not easy..
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Moral of the story, policemen shouldn’t need to carry weapons. | | | | | Moral of the story, if you're already a criminal who is out on parole for various felonies but you're out nevertheless because the system is of course very racist and you fall asleep totally inebriated behind the wheel at a drive-through, you certainly would try every possible way to not commit any parole violation. . .or like in this case, not get caught doing anything illicit.
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17.06.2020, 00:13
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Nor does the public expect to be confronted by someone that may take their life during every time they interact with the police. | | | | | Never have had a cop in the US point a machine gun at me.
Switzerland and Italy, many times. France too.
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17.06.2020, 00:23
| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Never have had a cop in the US point a machine gun at me. | | | | | You're white. | Quote: | |  | | |
Switzerland and Italy, many times. France too.
| | | | | Wow, Never once happened to me. Then again, I'm not American...
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17.06.2020, 00:32
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: |  | | | You're white. | | | | | Nor is he a criminal who repeatedly breaks the law. Race has nothing to do with it.
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17.06.2020, 00:37
| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Nor is he a criminal who repeatedly breaks the law. Race has nothing to do with it. | | | | | Says you.
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Nor is he a criminal who repeatedly breaks the law. Race has nothing to do with it. | | | | | You don't know that when you are doing a stop, they just assume if you're black.... again you should a lack of understanding ...
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | You don't know that when you are doing a stop, they just assume if you're black.... again you should a lack of understanding ... | | | | | Play stupid games, win stupid prices. It's really simple.
The guy shot in Atlanta was out on parole for multiple stuff. He was piss-ass drunk and fell asleep behind the wheel. No matter how you'd like to spin this, he wasn't going to go down quietly, because that would have been a parole violation. But yeah, blue men bad - blue men racist.
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