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I have no respect for those who loot. They are no better than those they are protesting.
Violence begets violence. Racial discrimination,inequality,murder is violence against others. No different to the violence of looting and burning.
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I have no respect for those who loot. They are no better than those they are protesting.
What you are seeing are thousands of legitimate protesters, and some others that are taking advantage of the situation for their own gains.

A protester is not a looter and v.v. To say otherwise is the same as saying all cops are killing blacks. Sone are, but not all.
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I dont even think its about race per-se, but cops are more likely to be injured by a black man and will act accordingly.
Racial profiling, well yes, mixed with pattern recognition and you get dead black guys.
True, but that would involve an honest discussion about violence and crime rates within the black community...
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Old 30.05.2020, 11:09
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True, but that would involve an honest discussion about violence and crime rates within the black community...
Why have an honest discussion when you already know who bears 100% of the blame?
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True, but that would involve an honest discussion about violence and crime rates within the black community...
You know, this reads as if you’re trying to excuse this crime given apparently, blacks kill each other too. This is a little like saying “oh it’s ok that he abused his child given he was abused himself as a child”.

From what we know it’s simple: a guy who happened to be black tried to pay with money that was fake. We do not know if he knew it was fake. We also do not know whether he printed it himself. The police was called, four showed up and they all happened to be white. Black guy didn’t carry a weapon. He didn’t threaten or shoot or even resist arrest. Regardless, he was killed by the policemen. The policeman who killed him was fired from his job, but only charged with murder several days later.

Whether black or white initially doesn’t even matter much. A massive and utterly disproportionate crime has been committed in response to what may well just have been petty crime if crime at all.

In no world is that okay.

And it matters not the slightest whether the black community kills each other on a regular basis or whatever. It has no real relevance for what happened here.

The protests are absolutely understandable. The looting may not be, but the protests are. And seeing it’s not only blacks taking to the street is very telling in itself.
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Why have an honest discussion when you already know who bears 100% of the blame?
Who?
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Old 30.05.2020, 11:37
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

In case anyone else out there sometimes has trouble finding something decent to watch on Netflix...

There is a really good film titled "American Son" on Netflix (based on a Broadway play) that deals with racial issues, black crime and the problem of police brutality against blacks in the US. It approaches the issues from various perspectives -- a black mother, a white father, and the cops and is quite thought-provoking in that regard. It requires some degree of patience to watch, as the entire film is set inside the waiting room of a police station and consists of nothing but dialogue, but the ending is one that I will never forget.

(sorry if this seems a bit off-course...)
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What you are seeing are thousands of legitimate protesters, and some others that are taking advantage of the situation for their own gains.

A protester is not a looter and v.v. To say otherwise is the same as saying all cops are killing blacks. Sone are, but not all.
I agree completely.

A bad cop kills a compliant suspect
People protest the actions
People abuse their rights as protesters and begin to loot
The cop gets charged with third degree murder
Trump tweets without thinking (again)
People are hoping the cop isn't aquitted.

If he is aquitted, we can expect massive protests that may well lead to violence
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If he is aquitted, we can expect massive protests that may well lead to violence
Given a 19-year old protester in Detroit was shot, its already no longer a may
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Old 30.05.2020, 12:32
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Probably not when you have priors for drugs, theft and a five year stint for aggravated burglary.
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Irrelevant, no punishment without intent (Art. 240 ff StGB). And that would be impossible to prove if there's only one fake bill. Same in Germany, which has me believe it's probably the same everywhere in western Europe.

I don't think you can say with reasonable certainty that the murder was intent. But the cop was clearly enjoying the position, he was king of the hill in those minutes. And there was no remorse at all afterwards.

As for the number of videos, there's more than only the one filmed from the sidewalk.

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E.g. this one. Zero resistance visible, though he does appear to collapse after crossing the street.
There's also a video from across the street, but I've only seen short cuts of a few seconds, they all show several (three?) cops fixating Floyd beside the car. With hands tied behind the back it's probably impossible to get up even if only one fixated him.

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Old 30.05.2020, 13:15
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Irrelevant, no punishment without intent (Art. 240 ff StGB). And that would be impossible to prove if there's only one fake bill. Same in Germany, which has me believe it's probably the same everywhere in western Europe.
Don't know what US law says, but I think over here, or in Germany for that matter, if somebody reported a forged bank note, they wouldn't send four policemen at once and they probably wouldn't make an arrest. Typically policemen operate in pairs and for something like this they'd probably just confiscate the suspicious bank note for the forensics to look at, take names, write down statements and file a report. Any further action would be down to the detectives and the state proescutors and might take weeks if not months.

A friend of mine in Spain (which is a country infamous for the rambo-esque and oiften unaccountable attitude of its police) had the police called over a forged bank note. They didn't even send uniformed police but a pair of 50-something plain-clothes investigators who looked as if they only rarely got out of their office and who were decidedly grumpy that they had to do work at all. Oh, and insisted on speaking Catalonian although my friend is a Spanish speaker. It took two years of silence and then he got a letter in the post in which the prosecutor said they were dropping the investigation for lack of evidence.

I know the US is different again. But that different?
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Who?
Trump of course.

Which is why the protesters are hitting him back where it hurts him the most, burning down liquor stores and Target markets. You know, places where only rich people spend their money.
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I’d normally agree that violence is not the answer. But they took a knee & were heavily ridiculed, more innocent black men and women continue to die and NOTHING has been done to stop it. Instead, we have a President who encourages white supremacy and any and all progress has just been set back 50 years. Not to mention the economic inequality only exacerbated by COVID-19, it’s a disaster.

Have you seen the video of the cop instigating the situation further by banging out windows?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...tm_name=iossmf
I stick to non-violence. I always supported marginalised people's rights but can't agree with violence, no way. There must be another way.

I think police was in the wrong though. Is USA police that different than in other parts of the world?
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Don't know what US law says, but I think over here, or in Germany for that matter, if somebody reported a forged bank note, they wouldn't send four policemen at once and they probably wouldn't make an arrest. Typically policemen operate in pairs and for something like this they'd probably just confiscate the suspicious bank note for the forensics to look at, take names, write down statements and file a report. Any further action would be down to the detectives and the state proescutors and might take weeks if not months.
Yup, something like that is very much what I'd expect as well.
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I know the US is different again. But that different?
I understand the US federal code (though this appears to be preliminary only, see the URL) to say the same (after skimming through, can't be bothered too much with US legalese): no punishment without intent.

However, at least this hit for my search says that practice is different. Based on that, with a charge to be raised, it seems not out of the ordinary (considering it's the US) to detain the accused in order to simplify collecting evidence. The other passengers of Floyd's car were let go, so it's not something along the claim that "all blacks are evil" or something.

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True, but that would involve an honest discussion about violence and crime rates within the black community...
Yes, but an honest discussion also involves arrests, punishment and incarceration. For example - black on black crime. Black guy kills another black guy, the killer goes to jail for life. White guy kills a black guy - justice is metered out differently. White cop kills black guy - Here we are.

And yes, not every white cop is a racist, but there‘s enough suspect violence to warrant some thought about this.

US Justice is not colorblind.
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Trump of course.

Which is why the protesters are hitting him back where it hurts him the most, burning down liquor stores and Target markets. You know, places where only rich people spend their money.
I wonder how much of all the burning and such is caused by just a small group of people from for example antifa, they don't care what it is as long as it burns it burns.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

I just saw a video in the news of some of the footage from the protests in Minneapolis. One scene shows a woman in a wheelchair trying to block the entrance to a Target store as the protestors were trying to push their way in (to loot, I assume). One of the protestors took a fire extinguisher and sprayed the woman in the wheelchair directly in the face from a distance of only about 2 feet away.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wife-derek...ve_twopack_hed

It's misdirected anger, essentially. "A white cop killed a black guy, therefore I'm going to burn some innocent guy's car and use this as an excuse to break into a store and get a new TV."

What I find all the more sad about the violence of these protests is that they are probably just going to end up causing racist white people to feel even more justified in their racism, as so many of them seem to think that blacks are responsible for the majority of crime in the US and equate them with being more violent than whites and as being thieves, etc. So I fear these protests are just going to backfire on the black community and cause racism among whites to become even worse (though of course, I understand there are white protestors as well).

It seems that at the center of all of this is people's inability to control their behavior -- both with Derek Chauvin's senseless killing of George Floyd and the behavior of so many of the protestors (the looting, etc.).
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I just saw a video in the news of some of the footage from the protests in Minneapolis. One scene shows a woman in a wheelchair trying to block the entrance to a Target store as the protestors were trying to push their way in (to loot, I assume). One of the protestors took a fire extinguisher and sprayed the woman in the wheelchair directly in the face from a distance of only about 2 feet away.
There is also footage of the same woman being able to stand/walk, and it is also clear from footage that she had a knife and was trying to stab people near the door of the store.
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There is also footage of the same woman being able to stand/walk, and it is also clear from footage that she had a knife and was trying to stab people near the door of the store.


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There is also footage of the same woman being able to stand/walk, and it is also clear from footage that she had a knife and was trying to stab people near the door of the store.
Really?

Okay, I just did a search for that, but I couldn't find any such videos or evidence of that. But I did find some articles saying that she ALLEGEDLY had a knife. I'd like to see the footage you're referring to (I'm not denying that it exists, but if it does, I wasn't able to find it).
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