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Old 17.06.2020, 21:13
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Well given the circumstances you would likely have had one less dead person.

I think the whole idea that ‘You don’t ‘let criminals run’ needs some further thought. And shooting him in the back, until he was dead, is much worse than any danger he was to himself.
I like this exchange with you but please forgive me if I sound like a smart ass but anybody who falls asleep inebriated behind the wheel is definitely a danger to himself and to society. Futhermore, given the situation, if he had better aim, then we would be dealing with the possibility of a blind/paralized/dead police officer, then what?
I have no problems with the outcome of this particular incident. . . you live by the sword, you eventually die by the sword. Sad but true. His family is now outraged. Outraged at what exactly? Where were they when he was charged for his previous crimes? I bet you they weren't this outraged. This is a typical case of lack of accountability IMO.

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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Well, I may sound like a smart ass as well, but had this situation been handled better we would have had one less dead person. Every other outcome would have been better than what transpired.

And I wonder if the man had been white, if the results would have been the same? Perhaps I am a cynic but I think they would have been.

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Old 17.06.2020, 22:04
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Well, I may sound like a smart ass as well, but had this situation been handled better we would have had one less dead person. Every other outcome would have been better than what transpired.

And I wonder if the man had been white, if the results would have been the same? Perhaps I am a cynic but I think they would have been.

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There are statistically speaking more cases where a white person gets shot by police. Unfortunately, such instances are not conducive to the media's liberal agenda they're trying to push and therefore, you will most likely not ever see the same outrage over a white person's death.
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Old 17.06.2020, 22:50
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Why not just let him run away? They knew who he was, they could drop by the next morning to read him his rights. At most the taser he had one charge left, and it’s considered non-lethal at least by white cops.
Is there a law that say you can't sleep in a parked car, even when inebriated, even when on parole?
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Old 17.06.2020, 23:03
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Just watched a very good Joe Rogan podcast with an ex Navy Seal: Jocko Willink. His opinion is: more money is needed for police training which is lacking at present in his view. An interesting interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL5RzI5LyVc
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There are statistically speaking more cases where a white person gets shot by police. Unfortunately, such instances are not conducive to the media's liberal agenda they're trying to push and therefore, you will most likely not ever see the same outrage over a white person's death.
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People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2017-2020
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Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 429 civilians having been shot, 88 of whom were Black, as of June 4, 2020. In 2018, there were 996 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 this figure increased to 1,004. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 30 fatal shootings per million of the population as of June 2020.
88 is 20.5% of 429. Blacks represent 13% of the US population. 1 in 5 of police killings are black, while blacks are 1 in 10 of the population.
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Old 18.06.2020, 08:27
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Is there a law that say you can't sleep in a parked car, even when inebriated, even when on parole?
Yes, but you need to be in the back seat, and the keys NOT in the ignition.

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Old 18.06.2020, 08:53
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Take CH, you can drive at 200 km/hr but there's no high speed police chase on the highway. You're caught by a radar, cited to court and if you fail to appear police takes you to court.
I think you're first issued a hefty fine followed by suspension of driving licence followed by your criminal record being stained for the next 5 years. Even for driving at 150 km/hr no problems....I don't think one needs to show up in court, unless they want to make a contestation.
As for sleeping in a parked car, it's not illegal neither a factual problem in CH.
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Yes, but you need to be in the back seat, and the keys NOT in the ignition.

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Yet another daft law disproportionately affecting ethnic minorities who are less likely to be able to afford cars with keyless entry.
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Statistics can be used to prove anything.

88 is 20.5% of 429. Blacks represent 13% of the US population. 1 in 5 of police killings are black, while blacks are 1 in 10 of the population.
Yes certainly but a fraction of African Americans commit crime at a disproportionate level (50% of violent crime and murder). Hence, it is obvious that they get shot at a higher rate in respect to the population size but not in total numbers.

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Yet another daft law disproportionately affecting ethnic minorities who are less likely to be able to afford cars with keyless entry.
Because it's absolutely impossible to remove the key from the ignition from the backseat.
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Because it's absolutely impossible to remove the key from the ignition from the backseat.
Err, what?
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Old 18.06.2020, 10:28
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Yet another daft law disproportionately affecting ethnic minorities who are less likely to be able to afford cars with keyless entry.

This must be the argument of the year. Congratulations!
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None of our 11 vehicles have keyless entry.

Must be because we are ethnic minorities here.

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I have no problems with the outcome of this particular incident. . . you live by the sword, you eventually die by the sword. Sad but true.
Right, so you _do_ think it's OK for cops to go around murdering people, just because they have a previous criminal record. Glad we've cleared that one up.
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None of our 11 vehicles have keyless entry.

Must be because we are ethnic minorities here.

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Not sure you understand what "affected disproportionately" means. There are also poor white people.
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Right, so you _do_ think it's OK for cops to go around murdering people, just because they have a previous criminal record. Glad we've cleared that one up.
A previous criminal record the police encountering him sleeping in a car could NOT possibly have known about. It's a facile argument to suggest this makes poor treatment of him OK.
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Right, so you _do_ think it's OK for cops to go around murdering people, just because they have a previous criminal record. Glad we've cleared that one up.
Maybe you're not understanding the broader picture or are possibly miscontruding it on purpose. If you steal a weapon and then attack the owner of the weapon with his stolen weapon, then it is very much justified to shoot the thief with the weapon, because the owner of said weapon would obviously want to defend themselves. Add into the mix that you were intoxicated and by means of violently attacking the owner, you've acquired the weapon. That's already at least 3 felonies right there. What does this all have to do with his previous criminal record? A lot. He got sentenced to 7 years and only stayed for one. . . because the system is racist (I'm being sracastic here). He should have been in jail. Do you follow me until now? Good. Now, he knew right then and there, that if they were to arrest him for a dui, that he would be violating his parole, thus, had nothing to lose. Desperation combined with alcohol make for a bad recipe and he chose wrong.

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A previous criminal record the police encountering him sleeping in a car could NOT possibly have known about. It's a facile argument to suggest this makes poor treatment of him OK.
He wasn't just sleeping in a car. He was passed out drunk at a drive through. Try to keep up, will you please.
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Old 18.06.2020, 13:28
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Well given the circumstances you would likely have had one less dead person.

I think the whole idea that ‘You don’t ‘let criminals run’ needs some further thought. And shooting him in the back, until he was dead, is much worse than any danger he was to himself.
In addition, it appears the officers also did not render assistance after he was on the ground. Instead, the one who shot Brooks started kicking him. Last night on the news they said the second officer is taking the super rare step of turning to a state's witness - he will testify against his fellow officer in exchange for reduced charges against himself.

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Is there a law that say you can't sleep in a parked car, even when inebriated, even when on parole?
AFAIK the law there is that if you're drunk and in a vehicle you can be charged with drink driving aka DUI or DWI. If you're in the back seat and don't have keys it's probably a lesser charge. In this case DUI was obvious, he was sitting in the drive-thru lane of a restaurant and he clearly was the one who drove there.

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A previous criminal record the police encountering him sleeping in a car could NOT possibly have known about. It's a facile argument to suggest this makes poor treatment of him OK.
At the moment the officers approached the car, maybe not. However, dispatch or the officers themselves would have run the number plates on the car before approaching it so would have at least learned who the owner was or if the car was stolen.

Brooks provided his information to the officers. They would have run his info through their database and quickly discovered they weren't dealing with a choir boy. Right or wrong, that likely would have set a tone in their minds - "we're dealing with a guy who has resisted arrest before and been convicted of assault and battery. This guy might get violent so we have to be prepared to use force."

LiB, I get what you're trying to say, but you're definitely coming across as if you think he deserved to die because he was a bad guy. He wasn't a great guy but he didn't deserve to die.

What I think you're getting at is that given all the circumstances (drunk, prior violent record, etc.) it's not shocking to you or I that this situation ended the way it did. To others, it's a huge shock.
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What I think you're getting at is that given all the circumstances (drunk, prior violent record, etc.) it's not shocking to you or I that this situation ended the way it did. To others, it's a huge shock.
It is absolutely not a shock to the rest of us. It is a shock to noone how often this stuff happens now.

This is why we seem broadly to support this novel civil rights campaign.
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