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I don't think we want to live in a society where rapists and murderers are just allowed to resist arrest and get away... Do we?
Depends on what race they are apparently.
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Old 27.08.2020, 09:11
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I don't think we want to live in a society where rapists and murderers are just allowed to resist arrest and get away... Do we?
First of all, there's a difference between "not shooting dead" and allowing them to "get away". If you resist arrest, the police are legally permitted to use force - that might mean up to deadly force, but it shouldn't generally happen.

Anyway, until they've been to court, tried and convicted, they're innocent. So, do we went to live a society where innocent people get killed if they resist arrest?
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Well not only had he been convicted of wife beating, he also had a knife in the car, in the footwell.

Looking at the video, he was leaning into the car footwell, it does not look like he was trying to get in the car and drive away.
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Well not only had he been convicted of wife beating, he also had a knife in the car, in the footwell.

Looking at the video, he was leaning into the car footwell, it does not look like he was trying to get in the car and drive away.
How much yoga do you do? I would certainly recommend starting if you're going to be reaching this much in future.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

ah the old clutch at straws and bring up past / pending convictions that may or may not be true, innocent till proven guilty eh? not for some.

because he *may* have been a nasty piece of work 7 shots in the back of un unarmed man is ok now then.

good to see peoples moral compass
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Anyway, until they've been to court, tried and convicted, they're innocent. So, do we went to live a society where innocent people get killed if they resist arrest?
I want to live in a society where people are held responsible for their actions without endless excuses that blame their poor decisions on anything but themselves.
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ah the old clutch at straws and bring up past / pending convictions that may or may not be true, innocent till proven guilty eh? not for some.

because he *may* have been a nasty piece of work 7 shots in the back of un unarmed man is ok now then.

good to see peoples moral compass
This case is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. There was a man after forcibly resisting arrest reaching inside a vehicle. The whole "keep your hands where we can see them" thing is usually shouted for a reason, more so if you're after tussling with the cops. The victim had good reason to not want to be arrested over a minor altercation seeing as he had a pending warrant. The victims actions led to this conclusion.
So are the officers not innocent until proven guilty as well?
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The victim had good reason to not want to be arrested over a minor altercation seeing as he had a pending warrant.
Rape charge, so probably a few days in the slammer if he made bail (and was charged with rape of course) or a long time detained before the trial.
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This case is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. There was a man after forcibly resisting arrest reaching inside a vehicle. The whole "keep your hands where we can see them" thing is usually shouted for a reason, more so if you're after tussling with the cops. The victim had good reason to not want to be arrested over a minor altercation seeing as he had a pending warrant. The victims actions led to this conclusion.
So are the officers not innocent until proven guilty as well?
was the officer in immediate danger? given the victim had his back to him and the officer had multiple backup? was he in immediate danger after the 1st shot? the 2nd?, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th shot?

the victim was an idiot, no doubts there, but didn't deserve 7 shots in the back for his actions at that time
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Rape charge, so probably a few days in the slammer if he made bail (and was charged with rape of course) or a long time detained before the trial.
Just for clarity, the minor altercation being the involvement in the domestic dispute. If arrested for this his previous charges would be found as well.
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he should have done exactly what he was asked to do without question,
Yes, but being arrested while black means being taken to gaol, spending the night there, being arraigned, given an unaffordable bail amount and held in custody until his trial date. Lose his job, perhaps his housing, and separated from his family. Then being offered a plea bargain where he pleads guilty for a reduced sentence or is threatened with an even longer sentence if he doesn't agree. If he goes to court he gets represented by a court appointed lawyer who is so overworked that probably will only meet with the 'suspect' once before the trial.

All this while being 'innocent until proven guilty'

It is no wonder that so many resist being arrested.

And no, this is not the plot from a detective novel, this is the way it is in the US.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

It's this attitude that allows some black people to believe that they are always victims of the system so they feel justified to ignore and disobey authority figures like police.

The media and other useful idiots then further encourage this behaviour by making excuses for them instead of holding them accountable for their actions as they would anyone else.

Thus the cycle continues...
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

The latest story coming out of the good old US, is that even diners now cannot eat in peace without have a mob of left wing markists under BLM, trying to intimidate customers to put their arm in the air for a black power salute.


Most of those in the mob were all white, so it says something about the way this movement is heading.


I read an article regarding the BLM in the UK, which they state that all whites will become the slaves to the black people.


As much as I believe that all people should be treated equally and fair, this rush to appease and politically correct a lot of wrongs in history is only going to cause more separation and conflict. Just my opinion and I am not a US citizen but with all this politics thrust into ones face with any form of media, one cannot help but make some personal remarks.
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I want to live in a society where people are held responsible for their actions without endless excuses that blame their poor decisions on anything but themselves.
Where do you live that you feel this concept is far from reality?

Or are you talking about USA? Have you lived there, do you have family/friends that you can relate to?
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Where do you live that you feel this concept is far from reality?

Or are you talking about USA? Have you lived there, do you have family/friends that you can relate to?
Obviously you did not read my post that closely. At the end I said I was not a US citizen but this was just my opinion. I stated from a story which has been in the UK Press about BLM etc

If you feel that offended by my remarks I apologize, as it was not intended to cause offense. Of course we would all love to live in a society where people are held responsible for their actions, but sadly this is not always the case and it is not just about people making excuses about their bad decisions.

sometimes it is the justice system itself (I refer to the UK not the US)
There have been many instances of criminals caught in the act and possession of stolen goods etc and then let off with no further action. This is not fair to the rest of the law abiding people in the UK.

But I do get your point and wish you a nice day.

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Obviously you did not read my post that closely. At the end I said I was not a US citizen but this was just my opinion. I stated from a story which has been in the UK Press about BLM etc

If you feel that offended by my remarks I apologize, as it was not intended to cause offense. Of course we would all love to live in a society where people are help responsible for their actions, but sadly this is not always the case and it is not just about people making excuses about their bad decisions.

sometimes it is the justice system itself (I refer to the UK not the US)
There have been many instances of criminals caught in the act and possession of stolen goods etc and then let off with no further action. This is not fair to the rest of the law abiding people in the UK.

But I do get your point and wish you a nice day.
I didn't even reply to you post...........sigh.

I didn't read any of your posts btw.

You're simply not on my radar.
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Yes, but being arrested while black means being taken to gaol, spending the night there, being arraigned, given an unaffordable bail amount and held in custody until his trial date. Lose his job, perhaps his housing, and separated from his family. Then being offered a plea bargain where he pleads guilty for a reduced sentence or is threatened with an even longer sentence if he doesn't agree. If he goes to court he gets represented by a court appointed lawyer who is so overworked that probably will only meet with the 'suspect' once before the trial.

All this while being 'innocent until proven guilty'

It is no wonder that so many resist being arrested.
If they want to avoid all that perhaps they shouldn't commit the crime in the first place...

'Don't do the crime if you can't do the time'
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If they want to avoid all that perhaps they shouldn't commit the crime in the first place...

'Don't do the crime if you can't do the time'
Being arrested doesn't mean you have committed a crime.

Really, how can people attempt to debate with you when you lack even rudimentary knowledge?
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He wouldn't let himself be arrested, that was the problem.
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He wouldn't let himself be arrested, that was the problem.
FC wasn't referring to that incident, he was generalising, hence the "they" part of his post. "They" being potential criminals, not black people, obviously
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