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Old 30.05.2020, 16:30
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You know, this reads as if you’re trying to excuse this crime given apparently, blacks kill each other too. This is a little like saying “oh it’s ok that he abused his child given he was abused himself as a child”.

From what we know it’s simple: a guy who happened to be black tried to pay with money that was fake. We do not know if he knew it was fake. We also do not know whether he printed it himself. The police was called, four showed up and they all happened to be white. Black guy didn’t carry a weapon. He didn’t threaten or shoot or even resist arrest. Regardless, he was killed by the policemen. The policeman who killed him was fired from his job, but only charged with murder several days later.

Whether black or white initially doesn’t even matter much. A massive and utterly disproportionate crime has been committed in response to what may well just have been petty crime if crime at all.

In no world is that okay.

And it matters not the slightest whether the black community kills each other on a regular basis or whatever. It has no real relevance for what happened here.

The protests are absolutely understandable. The looting may not be, but the protests are. And seeing it’s not only blacks taking to the street is very telling in itself.
Actually, he did resist arrest and a struggle ensued, hence he was put to the ground.
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Old 30.05.2020, 16:32
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Protesters can be a breed of their own. When protests happen in Switzerland, it is often said there are usually some among the protesters who make it a hobby of joining any demonstrations around, just to be part of the energy.

It's a shame when people abuse protesting as a chance to say FU to the world without really caring about the cause itself.
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Old 30.05.2020, 16:35
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Actually, he did resist arrest and a struggle ensued, hence he was put to the ground.
I've read that as well. Maybe the power hungry cops used that as an excuse to knee the man in the throat? I can't imagine it's the first time they've abused their role of authority but I hope it will be the last.
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Actually, he did resist arrest and a struggle ensued, hence he was put to the ground.
He was not put on the ground. You can see him fall after being restrained and walked to the car. His restrain on the floor was not a result of him resisting
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Here we go again. It was obviously all his fault that he was killed by a white cop.

I wonder if would be still alive today if the cops had simply asked if they could ask him a few questions? You know innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?
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Old 30.05.2020, 17:02
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Here we go again. It was obviously all his fault that he was killed by a white cop.

I wonder if would be still alive today if the cops had simply asked if they could ask him a few questions? You know innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?
Now you're just trying to provoke an argument where there is none.
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A very normal reaction after having been strangled in a struggle I would say, doesn't matter for how long that was.
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He was not put on the ground. You can see him fall after being restrained and walked to the car. His restrain on the floor was not a result of him resisting
That's the question, isn't it. The police don't appear to have any part in it in the video I linked in post #70, and it would be a very unlikely coincidence if he hadn't gone down intentionally. An intentional going down would indeed constitute obstruction of justice.

At the beginning of the 10min video you can hear someone tease Floyd, like, "get in the car". Of course he can't, but the above may have been the reason, or trigger, for that.
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Actually, he did resist arrest and a struggle ensued, hence he was put to the ground.
Don't believe everything that people who are accused of murder state about what their victim did to make it his own fault.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/28/u...rnd/index.html
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Old 30.05.2020, 19:16
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

The video shows someone saying that the she (the woman in the wheelchair) has a knife, but you can't see a knife in the video. It doesn't show her standing up and walking. Regardless... She was sitting there blocking the door, trying to be a hero, I guess. Using a knife to do it apparently wasn't a wise choice. But neither is trying to break into a store to steal stuff -- particularly when you're (supposedly) also trying to stand up against an injustice.
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Old 30.05.2020, 19:18
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/28/u...rnd/index.html
Exactly. One of the videos also shows him telling the cop repeatedly that he couldn't breathe and yet the cop continued to press his knee into his throat. That right there is all I need to know that the cop was in the wrong.
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Old 30.05.2020, 19:24
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Exactly. One of the videos also shows him telling the cop repeatedly that he couldn't breathe and yet the cop continued to press his knee into his throat. That right there is all I need to know that the cop was in the wrong.
He was sacked for it wasn't he? Isn't that sufficient to assume he dun a bad thing?
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He was sacked for it wasn't he? Isn't that sufficient to assume he dun a bad thing?
I can't tell if you're serious or sarcastic. Sure hope it's the latter.
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And it matters not the slightest whether the black community kills each other on a regular basis or whatever. It has no real relevance for what happened here.
It should matter if your protest is based on 'Black Lives Matter'
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Just read this... And to quote Edwin, how many "protestors" were Antifa...?

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news...19f57c292c6bdc
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It should matter if your protest is based on 'Black Lives Matter'

You don't understand the difference between blacks killing other blacks and the problem of police unnecessarily killing black people?
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You don't understand the difference between blacks killing other blacks and the problem of police unnecessarily killing black people?
Both seem unnecesary to me.
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Both seem unnecesary to me.
So you're using the fact that some black people kill other black people to try to say that someone therefore doesn't have a right to be upset about police officers unnecessarily killing black people?

That's like saying some white people kill other white people, therefore we shouldn't mind it if a neo-Nazi kills a Jew.*

Blame-shifting and/or ignoring the problem isn't going to make the problem go away.

* Maybe that's not the best analogy (I'm tired), but hopefully you can at least understand my point.

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Old 30.05.2020, 23:52
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

I think that the main problem is that for decades now tension between the two sides, black and white has been swinging higher and higher.
Racial paranoia is a reason why cops tend to use overwhelming force against blacks and why blacks are so violent against law enforcement or whites for that matter.
How was that cop going to verify that the guy was peaceful? At the end of the day he just wanted to go home with his skin intact so he overreacted, fine, a man died and hopefully he will be punished for it.
But.
The next time a cop gets into a situation like that he may remember this case and the pressure will perhaps cause him to hesitate...
Donīt forget, we are talking America here, guns are everywhere, so the cop made a decision and stuck with it and in all honesty would you be willing to take a chance with your life?
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