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Aw, sweet. You gave me neg rep with the comment "He's a rapist " I'm glad you take such merriment in reporting fake news.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ja...ssault-charge/
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-child-rapist/

Btw, he's not a child rapist either. The whole thing was confected. Well done for falling for it!
I said he was a rapist. I never claimed he was a child rapist.

In Wisconsin, third-degree sexual assault is covered under Section 940.225(3)(a) of the Wisconsin Statutes, which states that: “Whoever has sexual intercourse with a person without the consent of that person is guilty of a Class G felony.”
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Aw, sweet. You gave me neg rep with the comment "He's a rapist " I'm glad you take such merriment in reporting fake news.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ja...ssault-charge/
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-child-rapist/

Btw, he's not a child rapist either. The whole thing was confected. Well done for falling for it!

But he was wanted for 3rd degree sexual assault Felony G
Third degree sexual assault is any other type of sexual intercourse with a person without his or her consent. This is a Class G felony, which can be punished by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $25,000

From the court itself. > view history of charges.


Anyway, he can now sit trial for rape.



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Old 27.08.2020, 19:16
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So he's not a rapist he's a suspected rapist. Glad to know you've got a grip on presumption of innocence.
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they knew what they were signing up for, protect the public, that includes the victim and the kids in the car!
Your level of knowledge leaves a lot to ask for, you couldn't be more wrong.

Here's California's oath of office (AFAIK it's basically the same in all states, I know of no contradicting oath). They protect
the US constitution, the CA constitution (in that order!), and therefore the state (on all levels). The people, population, what-have-you, are irrelevant.

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“And I do further swear (or affirm) that I do not advocate, nor am I a member of any party or organization, political or otherwise, that now advocates the overthrow of the Government of the United States or of the State of California by force or violence or other unlawful means; that within the five years immediately preceding the taking of this oath (or affirmation) I have not been a member of any party or organization, political or otherwise, that advocated the overthrow of the Government of the United States or of the State of California by force or violence or other unlawful means except as follows:

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Once the police officer informs you that you're under arrest then you are obliged to be arrested.
If you resist then you are commiting a crime and esculating the situtation.
If you give the police officer reason to believe that their life is in danger then they may use deadly force against you.
2 out of 3 of those stories did not involve any form of resisted arrest. (The other one involved a man not of sane mind and he called the police for help.) One of them was so terrified that he begged for them not to kill him & they did anyway while he held both hands in the air.

There is systematic racism in the US, no doubt. There is police brutality that feeds off of it and there is also pure police brutality that feeds off of power and it applies to all races.
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I still feel so on-the-fence about this particular incident. I'm reading through the posts here and I find myself agreeing with both sides. On the one hand, I'm not comfortable with feeling that someone deserves to lose their life for resisting arrest. But at the same time, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with thinking that a police officer shouldn't have the right to use their gun on someone when they feel or think that their own life is being threatened. And in this case, that cop had no idea what Jacob Blake was doing when he was reaching into his car. He had already clearly been resisting arrest.
Fair enough ... maybe Jacob isn’t the nicest person on earth. But the one thing that is perfectly clear in this situation is, that there was not one point where the police were under true threat. Their guns were drawn, he may have reached for a “potential knife”. But as they say, you don’t bring a knife to a gun fight. They should be professionals. Instead they shot him seven times in the back. It’s the seven times in the back that is the problem.
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Old 28.08.2020, 09:56
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Fair enough ... maybe Jacob isn’t the nicest person on earth. But the one thing that is perfectly clear in this situation is, that there was not one point where the police were under true threat. Their guns were drawn, he may have reached for a “potential knife”. But as they say, you don’t bring a knife to a gun fight. They should be professionals. Instead they shot him seven times in the back. It’s the seven times in the back that is the problem.
They had an aggressive man who was violently resisting arrest storm over to his car, open the door and reach in for an unknown object. If the unknown object had been a gun and they had waited then they likely would have been shot.

This was the potential threat they were under and it's the reason they won't be charged.
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Old 28.08.2020, 10:32
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

The way armed police work in the UK is that if they announce themselves and then give you an instruction, you do it, or you may be shot dead. They fire a number of shots to ensure the suspect is taken out. Even if you're carrying only a chair leg - or running to get a tube train. It's not very nice, but it is the reality of armed policing.

Of course the difference is that in the US all police are armed, and they definitely draw their guns far too readily. And it seems the darker the person's skin is, the more ready they are. Here of course police also have guns - the difference is the average resident doesn't.

So there a number of things at work, in my view.
1. There is systemic racism in policing in the US
2. The police are militarised and do not exist to serve the community
3. Guns are far too readily available
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Old 28.08.2020, 11:17
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It’s the seven times in the back that is the problem.
Why, I thought that was resolved pages ago. They are drilled that way. If you decide to shoot, you just don't shoot once, you shoot several times.

I was drilled for 2 shoots chest area and 1 lower belly if he's still a thread. There is absolutely no time for thinking between the first two, apparently the US police teaches it differently. Don't blame the officer for doing what he was drilled for.
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ah so it ok then, he had all his common sense and decency trained/drilled out of him. Just want we need a world full of autonomous droid police

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Why, I thought that was resolved pages ago. They are drilled that way. If you decide to shoot, you just don't shoot once, you shoot several times.
Yes you are correct, they are improperly trained at that is what the Black Lives Matter movement is all about. Nothing is resolved...it continues to happen.
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ah so it ok then, he had all his common sense and decency trained/drilled out of him. Just want we need a world full of autonomous droid police
Yes, thats exactly what I described. Well done
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Yes you are correct, they are improperly trained at that is what the Black Lives Matter movement is all about. Nothing is resolved...it continues to happen.
Why groan for something that is correct then?
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

How quickly things can turn from a routine stop to mayhem when someone violently resists arrest, and why the Jacob Blake shooting was justified:

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Old 28.08.2020, 15:54
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

How differently would people be thinking about this situation if Blake had grabbed a gun when he was reaching into his vehicle, turned around, and shot the police officer in the chest? Should the police officer have waited for that to happen? The cops had their guns drawn but no gun was fired until it was believed that Blake was reaching for a weapon (and indeed, there was a knife where Blake had reached hand).

Also, what happened with Blake had nothing to do with race. But the media and others are trying to make it into an issue of race, because apparently whenever a black person in the US resists arrest and is then shot because of his actions, it has more to do with race than with that person's own behavior.

This is the kind of irrational thinking that's going to end up getting Trump re-elected. Because apparently half of the US population now thinks it's racist to hold black people accountable for their actions.

I don't care what color someone's skin is. When someone has cops pointing their guns at them because they're resisting arrest for a rape charge and then they reach for a weapon, there are consequences; and those consequences are the direct result of that person's own actions.

It is truly mind-blowing that so many people are trying to turn everything now into an issue of race. I'm a liberal, but I can understand now why some people on the right are fed up with this kind of "liberal thinking."

Someone's skin color isn't a free pass to not be held accountable or to not suffer the consequences of their own behavior.
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Perhaps the answer lies in a better understanding of why people resist arrest so strongly. The Cops in that video certainly were not well trained.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

With everyone potentially armed to the teeth in the USA it's not surprising if someone defying police instructions (what were they here? why was the police officer pointing a gun at Blake as he sauntered to his car?) let alone appearing to want to retrieve something from a vehicle is liable to be shot.
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It is truly mind-blowing that so many people are trying to turn everything now into an issue of race. I'm a liberal, but I can understand now why some people on the right are fed up with this kind of "liberal thinking."

Someone's skin color isn't a free pass to not be held accountable or to not suffer the consequences of their own behavior.
The only real issue about race is whether the cops would have behaved the same towards a white person. It's quite possible that the outcome would have been exactly the same.

But I don't know, just as nobody here does, if that would have been true or not. What we can mostly agree on is that the reaction of cops in the USA often seems to result in gunshots being exchanged with inevitable consequences. Personally I think that's where the problem lies, but many people are stating that a black person is much more likely to be apprehended by cops in the first place, so is therefore more likely to be a victim of circumstances such as these. So yeah, if that's true then there still is a significant racial issue to tackle.

I remember the race riots in the UK in the early 1980s, many of which were triggered by black youth being stopped by police for no other reason that being black. The so-called 'sus' laws allowed cops to stop and search anyone they felt was suspected of carrying drugs, but very many cops viewed just being black as suspicion enough.

As a result of this many black youths felt targetted and would therefore try to avoid being arrested.

Listen to the words of Sonny's Lettah, by Lynton Kwesi Johnson.

So why is this relevant? Racism in action isn't always about consciously treating some people differently based on skin colour, but that doesn't stop it being racism.
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The only real issue about race is whether the cops would have behaved the same towards a white person. It's quite possible that the outcome would have been exactly the same.

But I don't know, just as nobody here does, if that would have been true or not. What we can mostly agree on is that the reaction of cops in the USA often seems to result in gunshots being exchanged with inevitable consequences. Personally I think that's where the problem lies, but many people are stating that a black person is much more likely to be apprehended by cops in the first place, so is therefore more likely to be a victim of circumstances such as these. So yeah, if that's true then there still is a significant racial issue to tackle.

I remember the race riots in the UK in the early 1980s, many of which were triggered by black youth being stopped by police for no other reason that being black. The so-called 'sus' laws allowed cops to stop and search anyone they felt was suspected of carrying drugs, but very many cops viewed just being black as suspicion enough.

As a result of this many black youths felt targetted and would therefore try to avoid being arrested.

So why is this relevant? Racism in action isn't always about consciously treating some people differently based on skin colour, but that doesn't stop it being racism.
I don't think this is an issue that people can approach with a polarized or biased mentality. Each individual situation is different, when someone is shot by a cop; and therefore, each individual situation should be perceived and judged individually rather than in the blanketed context of "cops in the US are racist, therefore whenever a black guy is shot by a cop it's due to racism." When you view things through the lens of a cognitive bias such as that, that very easily results in a distorted perception. I think it's possible to acknowledge the facts that yes, some cops are racist and yes, racism does exist and that sometimes a black criminal is shot by the police due to their own behavior, causing the cop to defend his or herself, etc., rather than being shot due to the color of their skin.

If Blake was white, would we even be having this conversation? If Blake had turned around and used the knife that he was reaching for and stabbed the cop, would we even be having this conversation?
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According to the BBC the victim has been handcuffed to his bed. What a bunch of {expletive deleted} morons.
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