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Old 02.09.2020, 09:56
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It's a sad state of affairs if a 17 y.o. feels the need to protect properties and can get his hands on that type of gun. I feel sorry for his victims but I believe he's also a victim. At this age he definitely didn't have discernment...wonder why nobody sent him home so to speak. Where were the adults...

The adult that put the gun in his hands will now cry and repent, probably on live TV. Ensuing consequences depend on the interpretation and application of child access to guns law.
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He isn't old enough to legally get a week beer, but he is old enough to buy a lethal weapon.

Rather than 'feels the need' I'd say it was 'use the excuse'.
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Old 03.09.2020, 19:04
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The adult that put the gun in his hands will now cry and repent.
I doubt it.

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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

May not have even needed an adult.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-many...semiautomatic/

"In most states, it's easier for teenagers to buy rifles than handguns.

Federal law requires someone to be at least 21 to buy a handgun from a licensed dealer, but only 18 in most places to buy a long gun. In some states — mostly rural places with a strong tradition of hunting — you can buy a rifle at the age of 14 or 16.

Gun-rights advocates call the long gun an integral part of American culture, allowing kids and their parents to bond while out in the woods hunting and providing a way to teach youngsters firearms safety."

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'"It used to be the case that long guns were hunting guns. They were bolt-action shotguns and single-shot rifles and things really people bought for hunting or sport shooting and weren't the kind of (AR-style rifles) that are used in mass shootings," said Robyn Thomas, executive director of the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence."

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"States including Maine, Minnesota and Vermont allow teens 14 or 16 years old to buy or purchase long guns without parental consent, with some exceptions. Only two states — Hawaii and Illinois — have imposed stiffer age restrictions, requiring someone to be at least 21 before they can purchase a long gun.

The disparity in age requirements between handguns and long guns exists largely because of the popularity of hunting in the U.S. Hunting deer, ducks, geese, varmints and various other animals is a way of life for youth in many states, and the laws are generally written to accommodate purchases of rifles and handguns for teenagers."
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Old 03.09.2020, 21:44
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

But in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse (the shooter), according to the State of Wisconsin's gun laws, he had his gun illegally. He was using it neither for hunting nor for shooting lessons at the time of the shootings (see below). Also, Kyle actually lives in lllinois (not Wisconsin, where the shootings took place), and it is illegal for a minor to possess a firearm in Illinois as well, unless they are hunting or target shooting with an accompanying adult. Kyle Rittenhouse was neither hunting nor taking part in shooting lessons at the time. He crossed state borders with a gun that is not legal for him to have, as a 17-year old, in either State.


Minimum Age to Purchase & Possess in Wisconsin
Wisconsin generally prohibits the intentional transfer of any firearm to an individual under age 18.1
The state also generally prohibits the possession of a firearm by any person under age 18.2
These restrictions do not apply, however, when the firearm is being used by a person under age 18 when supervised by an adult during target practice or a course of instruction.3
Wisconsin law generally provides that for hunting purposes, the minimum age for possession or control of a firearm is age 12.4 A person age 12 but under age 14 may not hunt without being accompanied by his or her parent, guardian or a person at least 18 years of age who is designated by the parent or guardian.5 A young person 12 to 14 years of age also may possess a firearm if he or she is enrolled in instruction under the state hunter education program and is carrying the firearm in a case, unloaded, to or from that class, or is handling or operating the firearm during that class under the supervision of an instructor.6
Source: https://lawcenter.giffords.org/minim...-in-wisconsin/

What Are the Illinois Laws Regarding Underage Possession of Firearms?
If a minor possesses a gun, this is considered a criminal offense, which can range from a misdemeanor to a felony charge depending on the circumstances. The only exception to this regulation is when a minor child is using a gun as part of a sporting or recreational activity. For example, hunting or target shooting is legal in Illinois. It is important to note that a youth hunting license authorizes a person under the age of 18 to hunt as long as the juvenile is accompanied by a licensed hunter who is 21 or older.
Source: https://www.jolietlaw.com/will-count...on-of-firearms
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But in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse (the shooter), according to the State of Wisconsin's gun laws, he had his gun illegally. He was using it neither for hunting nor for shooting lessons at the time of the shootings (see below). Also, Kyle actually lives in lllinois (not Wisconsin, where the shootings took place), and it is illegal for a minor to possess a firearm in Illinois as well, unless they are hunting or target shooting with an accompanying adult. Kyle Rittenhouse was neither hunting nor taking part in shooting lessons at the time. He crossed state borders with a gun that is not legal for him to have, as a 17-year old, in either State.
Agree. I'm not defending his action - I'm only pointing out it may not have been an adult that gave him access to the firearm.

FYI - I and my friends routinely went hunting at age 14 without parents. We all traded weapons during the hunt to see how they shot. (grew up in MN).
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Old 04.09.2020, 13:09
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But in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse...
... He crossed state borders with a gun that is not legal for him to have, as a 17-year old, in either State.

Supposedly he borrowed the gun from someone in Wisconsin, and did not transport it across state lines.
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Supposedly he borrowed the gun from someone in Wisconsin, and did not transport it across state lines.
I don't see how a transport across state boundaries, if it took place, would influence the ability to use it. Kyle may get a fine or whatever if he took it across the border but it can't mean that he can't use the rifle for self-defense. "can't lawfully use that gun so I guess I'll have to die"
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Old 06.09.2020, 08:13
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I don't see how a transport across state boundaries, if it took place, would influence the ability to use it. Kyle may get a fine or whatever if he took it across the border but it can't mean that he can't use the rifle for self-defense. "can't lawfully use that gun so I guess I'll have to die"
If it was transported across state lines then Federal laws, and the FBI, are involved. If not it is a state matter.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

And another one:

The release of a police video lets everyone judge the shooting of a D.C. teen

I understand that some here would feel this man was justified to run away from the police due to him being black, but what if he pulls out a gun? How do you blame the police for this one?
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And another one:

The release of a police video lets everyone judge the shooting of a D.C. teen

I understand that some here would feel this man was justified to run away from the police due to him being black, but what if he pulls out a gun? How do you blame the police for this one?
Paywall.

And if a gun was drawn I doubt if he would have any support from the BLMT Crowd. Why do you assume they would?
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Old 06.09.2020, 12:10
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Paywall.

And if a gun was drawn I doubt if he would have any support from the BLMT Crowd. Why do you assume they would?
Because BLT was protesting the shooting on Saturday?

D.C. police shooting of Deon Kay spurs calls for change at protests, vigil Saturday

(It's not a paywall, you scroll down to the bottom and tick the box)
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It is paywall. No box to tick.
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If it was transported across state lines then Federal laws, and the FBI, are involved. If not it is a state matter.
So what.
I trust not even you would posit that he shuld have died.
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So what.
I trust not even you would posit that he shuld have died.
Once again, please play the ball not the player.

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Once again, please play the ball not the player.

Thank you.
When did you last look in the mirror?

Hypocrit.
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So you expect the Swiss to clean your sewers, pick up your weekly rubbish, drive your buses/trams, work in the shops, provide your health care?

Dream on ...
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And if a gun was drawn I doubt if he would have any support from the BLMT Crowd. Why do you assume they would?
Because most of their 'martyrs' are violent criminals who had it coming.

Protests erupt in Lancaster, Pennsylvania as police fatally shoot knife-wielding man after he rushes at officer
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

You mean like this black man sitting with his partner and children in the back of a Uber that was pulled over for a broken tail light.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54142800

IMHO the police were intentionally trying to inflame the situation.

Thank goodness no one died, but the victim was shot, twice, with a taser and beaten in front of his young children. And he is now facing criminal charges for resisting police which could ruin his life. All for his Uber’s broken light.
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You mean like this black man sitting with his partner and children in the back of a Uber that was pulled over for a broken tail light.
Yeah, exactly like him:

"Unfortunately, Mr. Walker has a felony probation warrant out of Fulton County for Cruelty to Children, Possession of a Firearm by a Convicted Felon, and a Failure to Appear warrant out of Hapeville which resulted in Magistrate Court denying him a bond," the sheriff's office statement read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...ce/ar-BB18ZKGD
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Yeah, exactly like him:

"Unfortunately, Mr. Walker has a felony probation warrant out of Fulton County for Cruelty to Children, Possession of a Firearm by a Convicted Felon, and a Failure to Appear warrant out of Hapeville which resulted in Magistrate Court denying him a bond," the sheriff's office statement read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...ce/ar-BB18ZKGD
And the police knew this?
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