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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

The United States of America is moving head long into a major crisis and the virus is going to prove to be the catalist, because, once again, a major event has shifted money from those that need, to those that have. I see it. I work for a private bank, and I can see the money being made. That is happening because when the markets drop, the people that have the least, but have been intelligent/advised enough to try and use the markets to their benefit, panicked and withdrew their investments for fear of losing more. The people buying up those sales are the wealthy, who have the cash to invest without too much fear of loss. Once again the money moves in the direction of money. But lets be clear, this is different because this time the event is stopping incomes for a great many people. This means that they have no food - but they do have guns! A recipe for a major event I'd say! Watch this space!
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I think that the main problem is that for decades now tension between the two sides, black and white has been swinging higher and higher.
Racial paranoia is a reason why cops tend to use overwhelming force against blacks and why blacks are so violent against law enforcement or whites for that matter.
How was that cop going to verify that the guy was peaceful? At the end of the day he just wanted to go home with his skin intact so he overreacted, fine, a man died and hopefully he will be punished for it.
But.
The next time a cop gets into a situation like that he may remember this case and the pressure will perhaps cause him to hesitate...
Don´t forget, we are talking America here, guns are everywhere, so the cop made a decision and stuck with it and in all honesty would you be willing to take a chance with your life?
This cop had 18 complaints against him, and his reaction at the dude telling him he can't breath shows more that this guy gives shit about other people. His skin getting home is not his motivation, him feeling superior and being back-upped by a system that allows such is his motivation for his behaviour.

They had a lot of time to just cuff the guy and search him, zero need to sit on him with 3 guys for almost 20 minutes of which he already was out for the last 4 of them.

Anyway, it's Saturday, the weather is nice, Trump keeps throwing oil on the fire and lots of whiteys in black cloths and professional gasmasks (read organised extreme-left like antifa) upfront in many protests in more and more cities, so I predict the worst night yet in the riots coming up.
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It should matter if your protest is based on 'Black Lives Matter'
Again, two different matters. Yes sure, some are sprinkled in that use BLM as a lead-in. Others simply ask for justice and to stop unnecessary brutality. Which twist it however you want (for whatever odd reason) - that is exactly what happened. And unless footage surfaces where Floyd opens fire on the policemen before being pushed to the group, there is absolutely no scenario that would even for a fraction of a second excuse the police's reaction. No not even if he resisted arrest. Urs Max has outlined how most countries would handle something like this - I really fail to understand why in your mind, you need to find an explanation as to why murdering this dude was totally a-okay. Or what is it you're trying to say? Whatever the underlying "logic" of these policemen's reaction, whether it was racism or just general brutality or even personal revenge or whatever, from what we know, it stands in zero point zero proportionality to the alleged crime that he had committed.
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I'm not sure what there is to lose by being a black man in that country. I would constantly be afraid of the police. I've heard of Canadian tourists being stopped at the barrel of a shotgun for speeding. American police just isn't normal, they're all pathological narcissists. You would have to be to follow the rules of being a cop there. They get away with stuff that other countries require inquests and massive bribes to silence.
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In case anyone else out there sometimes has trouble finding something decent to watch on Netflix...

There is a really good film titled "American Son" on Netflix (based on a Broadway play) that deals with racial issues, black crime and the problem of police brutality against blacks in the US. It approaches the issues from various perspectives -- a black mother, a white father, and the cops and is quite thought-provoking in that regard. It requires some degree of patience to watch, as the entire film is set inside the waiting room of a police station and consists of nothing but dialogue, but the ending is one that I will never forget.

(sorry if this seems a bit off-course...)
I've already seen it.
Highly recommended.
OT @Pancakes: the actress is phenomenal. I sensed Stanislavski school there.

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I'm not sure what there is to lose by being a black man in that country. I would constantly be afraid of the police. I've heard of Canadian tourists being stopped at the barrel of a shotgun for speeding. American police just isn't normal, they're all pathological narcissists. You would have to be to follow the rules of being a cop there. They get away with stuff that other countries require inquests and massive bribes to silence.
I found them to be very polite and friendly, but maybe that's because we weren't speeding and were a white couple. I acknowledge my privileges.

To be fair, I don't know what to say because my experience is limited to one time short encounter, but I think the police there is also very afraid. Everyone can have a gun there. At some point I don't even think one's race matters that much.
Perhaps is not good to bring it up here, we have our fanatical sect of gun supporters.

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I think that the main problem is that for decades now tension between the two sides, black and white has been swinging higher and higher.
Racial paranoia is a reason why cops tend to use overwhelming force against blacks and why blacks are so violent against law enforcement or whites for that matter.
How was that cop going to verify that the guy was peaceful? At the end of the day he just wanted to go home with his skin intact so he overreacted, fine, a man died and hopefully he will be punished for it.
But.
The next time a cop gets into a situation like that he may remember this case and the pressure will perhaps cause him to hesitate...
Don´t forget, we are talking America here, guns are everywhere, so the cop made a decision and stuck with it and in all honesty would you be willing to take a chance with your life?
This murder was just a spark that set off all the hates and fears that alot of Amis have to go through every day. Not just blacks. Theres poverty,unemployment,disastrous health scheme ( if any ) and the list goes on.
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To be fair, I don't know what to say because my experience is limited to one time short encounter, but I think the police there is also very afraid. Everyone can have a gun there. At some point I don't even think one's race matters that much.
Perhaps is not good to bring it up here, we have our fanatical sect of gun supporters.

I‘m pretty sure race matters a lot throughout the entire justice system. I don‘t know how much is institutionalized racism or fear or both, but it‘s there and it is strong. And i believe it‘s based more on bias and prejudice than any reality. I think you need to look at the incarceration rates, sentences given out and etc.

In my home town, there were instances of vandalism where the perpetrators where white. Setting fire to police cars, etc. It‘s a way to promote violence, set people against one another and distract. Steve Bannon must be gleeful.
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So you're using the fact that some black people kill other black people to try to say that someone therefore doesn't have a right to be upset about police officers unnecessarily killing black people?

Blame-shifting and/or ignoring the problem isn't going to make the problem go away.
In my opinion protesting and rioting everytime a black person is killed by police while effectively ignoring the fact that ~90% of black people killed are killed by other black people is blame-shifting amd ignoring the (much bigger) problem.
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I‘m pretty sure race matters a lot throughout the entire justice system. I don‘t know how much is institutionalized racism or fear or both, but it‘s there and it is strong. And i believe it‘s based more on bias and prejudice than any reality. I think you need to look at the incarceration rates, sentences given out and etc.

In my home town, there were instances of vandalism where the perpetrators where white. Setting fire to police cars, etc. It‘s a way to promote violence, set people against one another and distract. Steve Bannon must be gleeful.
Thank you. I wouldn't know that. I meant to address someone else's post about police being nasty with a Canadian couple. But they were speeding. On a routine control maybe they would have had no problems, as we had no problems.
It's always about context, circumstances. One cannot draw any conclusion from some random encounters or anecdotes.
About the justice system, yeah, I think you're right. Anyways, I can't understand any system where you can get away through "settlements". If the system is basically flawed, no wonder those who have money and happen to be white get away with things.
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Well about the only thing they got right in USA is the SpaceX rocket launch. But that was nothing special anyhow-just a PR thing for Musk and his cronies
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I'm not sure what there is to lose by being a black man in that country. I would constantly be afraid of the police. I've heard of Canadian tourists being stopped at the barrel of a shotgun for speeding. American police just isn't normal, they're all pathological narcissists. You would have to be to follow the rules of being a cop there. They get away with stuff that other countries require inquests and massive bribes to silence.
Something to keep in mind is that Policing in the US is for the most part a thankless job with unappealing career options. Work conditions are poor and so is the pay. (Unless you are in upper administration which is more of a political position.) You can find outliers for the money and people that work crazy overtime and retire a 50 with a fat pension but for the most part it is not something most people aspire to.

Due to legal environment and politics, the days of officer friendly and community service ideals are long gone. The Hollywood glamour and crime solving wizardry exists only on TV and movies.

You end up with a certain type of person or those with not so many alternative options. It’s an absolute mess and what might seem to be common sense is often lacking.
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You end up with a certain type of person or those with not so many alternative options. It’s an absolute mess and what might seem to be common sense is often lacking.
This. But maybe a lot of them don't fit into this stereotype. Would love to hear their point of view too.
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In my opinion protesting and rioting everytime a black person is killed by police while effectively ignoring the fact that ~90% of black people killed are killed by other black people is blame-shifting amd ignoring the (much bigger) problem.
You still don't get it. I guess that's because you're perceiving the issue through the lens of your own racism (regardless of whether or not you're willing to admit that you're racist).

You are essentially trying to blame black people for the problem of white cops killing black people, and I'm sorry, but that's f'd up. But that's what racist people do -- they find ways to try to feel justified in their racism.

The majority of black people in the US do NOT kill other black people (or anyone for that matter). And when a black guy with a gun is killed by the cops, black people don't protest. And when a black guy is needlessly killed by a cop, it's not the fault of other black people.

Do you get it yet?
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Breaking the Blue Wall of Silence:

The code of silence is breaking within the police force.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9...r-george-floyd
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In my opinion protesting and rioting everytime a black person is killed by police while effectively ignoring the fact that ~90% of black people killed are killed by other black people is blame-shifting amd ignoring the (much bigger) problem.
Yeah.... gun control
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Trevor Noah offers a thoughtful commentary on the events of this week, from the domino effect of Amy Cooper, Ahmaud Arbery, George Floyd and the riots in Minneapolis and across the country.

A key point to his opinion piece is that the implicit social contract that creates any society is not reciprocal towards large swathes of our society - and those who enjoy privilege (be that white privilege, economic privilege, whatever) often don't (or can't, or won't) understand the implications of this.

This is not Trevor the comedian, but rather Trevor the observer. An insightful, heartfelt piece, well worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4amCfVbA_c
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I've heard of Canadian tourists being stopped at the barrel of a shotgun for speeding.
And I've been stopped by Swiss police holding a machine gun for doing nothing.

And was once pulled over by Italian cops and made to sit in the cop car alone with a machine gun at my feet!

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There‘s some suggestion that just as alt right/white supremacy groups were behind some of the covid-19 protests, they are also behind the anti police protests.


Perhaps not the best source, but here.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/right-...sts-go-nuclear

And my previous comment about Bannon stands. He and his ilk love to fan the flames of violence, division and distraction.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Here in Switzerland, there are those who go to every protest just to be part of demonstration.

These people are called the Black bloc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc) and have their roots in Germany. They were active during the climate demonstrations last year.
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The majority of black people in the US do NOT kill other black people (or anyone for that matter). And when a black guy with a gun is killed by the cops, black people don't protest. And when a black guy is needlessly killed by a cop, it's not the fault of other black people.

Do you get it yet?
Sure, but the majority (~90%) of black people who are killed are killed by other black people. Just seems like a bigger problem in my opinion.
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