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I'd think people should be allowed to vote for whoever they believe fits their personal beliefs. That's a pretty core democratic value.

I don't mean this in a combative way, but if you replace African Americans with White or Asian it still looks iffy.
I agree with you - perhaps I did not explain myself well enough.

The GOP (especially in most recent times) have not been kind to the BLM cause, nor to those who are impoverished by the current capitalistic system that most often affects minorities. They have made almost no effort to reach out to the community other than by placing a few African American audience members and speakers at Trump rallies. Because of this, I cannot understand why they would appeal to African American voters and have asked Urs Max why he thinks they would vote for them. (I do think Biden's statement was absolutely absurd and only further cemented my feelings that Bernie should have been POTUS, but that will sadly never happen.)
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Old 16.07.2021, 15:13
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Funny, because there is plenty of racism towards Latin Americans in the US, it just happens to be the Cubans are able to vote & are terrified of communism & are therefore manipulated into being GOP voters.
Dems should turn this to their political advantage by marching with the Cubans and for the best effect get arrested.
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Old 17.07.2021, 15:16
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Can you give a reason as to why African Americans would vote GOP? Other than tax breaks if they are very wealthy?
I'm not saying that.

The issue isn't whether they should vote for the devil or for beelzebub. The issue is that, according to you, skin color (ethnicity) is to determine someone's political affiliation or in general how someone's supposed to think. That idea is stereotypical at best, and racist at worst. At the same time it paints "them" (whichever group happens to be the topic) as victims of the evil white men while it infantilises them. This approach is at the core of the leftists (as opposed to liberal) identity politics, and the reasone why leftist thinking is an abomination.

You do pretty much that in your post. You're saying that the cubans can't think for themselves, thus they need a saviour and of course you, who's not in the least self-aggrandizing, have the solution figured out already.

Unfortunately the self-proclaimed Democrat Knight In Shiny White Armor looks much more like the Pied Piper of Hamelin on closer inspection.
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Funny, because there is plenty of racism towards Latin Americans in the US, it just happens to be the Cubans are able to vote & are terrified of communism & are therefore manipulated into being GOP voters.
As for why black people would vote Republican - do note that I don't say they should, to me it's their choice - how has 50 years of voting Democrat benefitted them?

Washington DC has had mostly black mayors since 1967. Baltimore since 1987 (with 8 years interruption). Detroit from 1974-2014. The picture is similar, though less onesided, for chief of police and attorney general, as well as in other cities with a large black voter share. What have those black voters gotten for voting black Dems into the leading offices of their city for ages?

According to a well-known catchphrase, madness is defined as repeating the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome.
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Old 17.07.2021, 18:32
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Dems should turn this to their political advantage by marching with the Cubans and for the best effect get arrested.
If Cubans living in Florida want to march against communism, surely that is a non partisan matter. Neither party supports Communism in any way or form so why shouldn't people of both parties march with them without making a deal of it?

---oh wait
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Old 17.07.2021, 22:26
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If Cubans living in Florida want to march against communism, surely that is a non partisan matter. Neither party supports Communism in any way or form so why shouldn't people of both parties march with them without making a deal of it?

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Because the GOP has banned such spontaneous marches in Florida
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ck-men-prison/

Opinion: Missouri’s governor uses his pardon power — but not for two innocent Black men in prison

There is no question about the guilt of Missouri couple Mark and Patricia McCloskey. Videos and photographs show the two brandishing firearms at peaceful protesters outside their St. Louis mansion last year. Both pleaded guilty in June to misdemeanor offenses — Mark for fourth-degree assault and Patricia for harassment — and they were ordered to pay fines.

There is almost no question, either, about the guilt of Kevin Strickland and Lamar Johnson: Both of them almost certainly are innocent. Yet Mr. Strickland has been in a Missouri prison for 43 years, for a triple murder that prosecutors now say he did not commit. Mr. Johnson has been imprisoned for 26 years for murder despite overwhelming evidence of his innocence. In both cases, the real killers pleaded guilty and have already served their time for the murders.

So it is mind-boggling — and truly appalling — that the individuals Missouri Gov. Mike Parson (R) has found time to pardon are the unrepentant gun-toting McCloskeys and not two Black men who have suffered the grave injustice of being locked up, with no end in sight, for crimes they did not commit. The pardons for the McCloskeys, who are White, were announced Tuesday by the governor’s office without comment; no wonder, considering nothing could possibly be said to justify the action.

The U.S. Supreme Court has called clemency the “fail safe” of the judicial system, empowering executives to correct unjust outcomes — such as a wrongful conviction or a too-severe sentence — on a case-by-case basis. Not a “priority,” Mr. Parson said in June when asked about a pardon for Mr. Strickland, who is now 62 and uses a wheelchair. He said Mr. Strickland had been found guilty by a jury of his peers. Never mind that prosecutors removed the only four Black people on the list of potential jurors, ensuring he faced an all-White panel overseen by a White judge with White lawyers. Never mind that evidence amassed by the Midwest Innocence Project persuaded the local prosecutor to take another look at the case. The local prosecutor’s findings, corroborated by independent review by federal prosecutors, determined that Mr. Strickland is innocent of the charges for which he was convicted.

In most states, when defense lawyers and prosecutors agree that someone is innocent — as is the case with both Mr. Strickland and Mr. Johnson — they are freed, but Missouri law limits local prosecutors’ ability to correct wrongful convictions and gives an outsize role to the state attorney general. That office has opposed rectification in nearly all wrongful-conviction cases without regard to merit. State Attorney General Eric Schmitt (R) has continued the tradition of not being able to admit mistakes and is fighting ongoing legal efforts to free Mr. Strickland and Mr. Johnson.

A change in state law giving local prosecutors more authority to pursue innocence claims goes into effect this month. That could bolster efforts to free Mr. Strickland and Mr. Johnson. But every single day they spend in prison is an affront and an injustice.

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Funny, because there is plenty of racism towards Latin Americans in the US, it just happens to be the Cubans are able to vote & are terrified of communism & are therefore manipulated into being GOP voters.
As for why black people would vote Republican - do note that I don't say they should, to me it's their choice - how has 50 years of voting Democrat benefitted them?
There are two subcultures of Cubans -- Black Cubans and Jewish Cubans -- that are a small part of the Cuban emigrant population (and their progeny who may or may not reliably vote in accordance with their parents' pattern) in Florida.

There is -- increasingly -- a large Puerto Rican population in Florida.

This has indeed skewed the calculation of voting patterns for Blacks and Latinx in that state. Florida's electoral register is open to the public (sole exception is first responders, of whom my daughter is one, who may elect to have their names left off the public register). See flvoters.com (a project of Tom Alciere, of New Hampshire notoriety).

South Florida Jews include a substantial Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox population who vote Republican and support Trump because of a perceived advantage to Israel. (As if Israel can forever ignore demographic realities, but that's another subject, off topic.)
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South Florida Jews include a substantial Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox population who vote Republican and support Trump because of a perceived advantage to Israel. (As if Israel can forever ignore demographic realities, but that's another subject, off topic.)
Trump/Kushner gave them the rest of Jerusalem. That's far more than just perceived advantage.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

It will be interesting to see the US census results due to be published tomorrow. Several US newspapers are anticipating that for the first time the % of white people in the US will fall below 60%.

If true and assuming this trend continues then in a few years the racial issue may resolve itself or even reverse.

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I’ve never understood why the US has to categorise its people by race. They are all US citizens, aren’t they? Who cares if they are white, black, asian, hispanic, native, pacific islanders.

Just a load of happy crappy.
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It will be interesting to see the US census results due to be published tomorrow. Several US newspapers are anticipating that for the first time the % of white people in the US will fall below 60%.
Are Canadians white?

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Some are, helps them hide in the snow.
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Are Canadians white?

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Like Australia, Canada excluded nonwhite migrants to the extent that it could. It discriminated against Chinese. After WW II -- and until there was an outcry by the clergy and the press and the legislature intervened -- it deported ethnic Japanese with Canadian citizenship to Japan https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discov...migration.aspx A notorious era in Canadian history.

But not so surprising if you read Abella & Troper, "None Is Too Many: Canada and the Jews of Europe 1933-1948" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...ne-is-too-many

In the days when I worked out of New York City and drove a van to Québec once a month -- the 1960s, ending in 1972 -- the criterion for acceptance in Québec was to be of "pure laine". Catholic and with Québec ancestry. Once the language laws came in, the 1990s, and Québec had its own immigration powers, the stress became less on religion and ethnicity and more on language. The result was that today in Québec cities the population eats better and speaks with accent and syntax closer to Parisian French. Back then, with their broomball and poutine I deemed Quebeckers more like French pretenders who were really Scottish by diet and sport.

Today Montréal hosts ethnic restaurants of quality with European, Haïtian, Caribbean and Swiss/Belgian/French chefs.

Its fecundity has fallen now that the local priest doesn't show up once a year to ask married women if they are pregnant, and if not why not.
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I’ve never understood why the US has to categorise its people by race. They are all US citizens, aren’t they? Who cares if they are white, black, asian, hispanic, native, pacific islanders.

Just a load of happy crappy.
There are legitimate reasons to know the demography: how else can you measure discrimination and ethnic-centred poverty?

For years the State Department has questioned the citizenship of ethnic Mexicans born near the southern border of Texas outside of hospital. It is true that some midwives issued fraudulent birth certificates, but a whole class of ethnic poor were victimised. https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-po...rants-anymore/ (There was investigative journalism in the Washington Post on this, but it's behind a paywall)
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It will be interesting to see the US census results due to be published tomorrow. Several US newspapers are anticipating that for the first time the % of white people in the US will fall below 60%.

If true and assuming this trend continues then in a few years the racial issue may resolve itself or even reverse.
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By Tara Bahrampour and Ted Mellnik

August 21, 2021
The first race and ethnicity breakdowns from the 2020 Census, released Thursday, show a more diverse nation than ever in the nation’s history.

The report marks the first time the absolute number of people who identify as White alone has shrunk since a census started being taken in 1790. The White population fell from 223.6 million in 2010 to 204.3 million in 2020, a decrease of 8.6 percent.

The country also passed another milestone on its way to becoming a majority-minority society in the coming decades: For the first time, the portion of White people dipped below 60 percent, slipping from 63.7 percent in 2010 to 57.8 percent in 2020.

The new data shows how the ethnic, racial and voting-age makeup of neighborhoods shifted over the past decade, based on the national house-to-house canvass last year. It is the data most state legislatures and local governments use to redraw political districts for the next 10 years.

It indicates that the county is “much more multiracial and much more racially and ethnically diverse than what we measured in the past,” said Nicholas Jones, director and senior adviser of race and ethnic research and outreach at the Census Bureau’s population division.

The opioid epidemic and lower-than-anticipated birth rates among millennials after the Great Recession accelerated the White population’s decline, said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution.

“Twenty years ago if you told people this was going to be the case, they wouldn’t have believed you,” he said of the White decline. “The country is changing dramatically.”

The number of people who identify themselves as multiracial has changed considerably since 2010. It was measured at 9 million people in 2010 and is now 33.8 million people in 2020, a 276 percent increase.

In April, 2020 Census state population totals showed the country grew by just 7.4 percent in the past decade, more slowly than any decade except the 1930s. The states with the most growth were in the West and the South, which have seen an influx of people moving in from other countries and other states.

The largest and most steady gains were among Hispanics, who doubled their population share over the past three decades to 62.1 million people, or 18.7 percent, in 2020 and who are believed to account for half of the nation’s growth since 2010.
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