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31.01.2023, 14:08
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Where exactly is my personal attack against you in my post below?
The things I mentioned in that post are things you learn if you take a Psychology of Racism class in university. | | | | | ....is it the first time you've tried to have a conversation with this guy? He likes to post downright provocative stuff and then claims personal attacks when someone challenges his narrative...while attacking the person who supposedly "attacked" him, 'cause you know, everything is about him. Arguing with this guy should be avoided as much as possible. Especially if you are a woman, "he won't take no disrespect from women" man...
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31.01.2023, 14:16
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | ....is it the first time you've tried to have a conversation with this guy? He likes to post downright provocative stuff and then claims personal attacks when someone challenges his narrative...while attacking the person who supposedly "attacked" him, 'cause you know, everything is about him. Arguing with this guy should be avoided as much as possible. Especially if you are a woman, "he won't take no disrespect from women" man... | | | | | I've blissfully had him on ignore for awhile, that's the best course of action for such a person.
Most likely he feels "personally attacked" because you have proven him wrong ...
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31.01.2023, 14:20
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | The things I mentioned in that post are things you learn if you take a Psychology of Racism class in university. | | | | | People taking "Psychology of Racism class in university" are why the US has an education problem (or rather, lack thereof)!
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31.01.2023, 14:26
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | People taking "Psychology of Racism class in university" are why the US has an education problem (or rather, lack thereof)!
Tom | | | | | Why? I was a sociology major at the time. My best friend is a psychology professor and teaches classes at Indiana State University on the psychology of racism.
Would you prefer that people don't learn about racism and what drives it, etc.?
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31.01.2023, 17:29
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Exactly. And if - big if - an arrest of a white person would be just as likely to result in death or injury as an arrest of a black person, then you could arguably remove racism from the discussion all together. Again, without data it's just opinion. | | | | | Bad cops are bad cops…..this last fall had nothing to do with race. Its anecdotal but if you search white suspect beaten by police on twitter you will come across plenty of brutal examples
Policing in the usa is in the toilet!!!
To be honest, so is the behavior of people in general and especially towards the police. So what came first…..the lousy policing or the mistrust of the police?
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31.01.2023, 17:34
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Just curious? What kind of career did you cobble together with this degree? Could you use it here for example? | | | | | Well, as I said, my major was sociology at the time. I later changed it. No idea if a sociology degree obtained in the US could be used here, but there are actually a lot of career paths you can take in the US with a BA in sociology.
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31.01.2023, 17:40
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Well, as I said, my major was sociology at the time. I later changed it. No idea if a sociology degree obtained in the US could be used here, but there are actually a lot of career paths you can take in the US with a BA in sociology. | | | | | Again curious (not flaming)……what is a typical career you can do with that. Social work?
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31.01.2023, 17:48
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Again curious (not flaming)……what is a typical career you can do with that. Social work? | | | | | Anything probably, I studied languages and work in corporate finance | The following 6 users would like to thank roegner for this useful post: | | 
31.01.2023, 17:54
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA
I studied Anthro and ended up an executive in high-tech patent licensing. It's not the subject you study; it's how you learn to learn.
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31.01.2023, 18:07
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Thanks to both for the feedback…..but why not go the direct route to where you ended up going?
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31.01.2023, 18:17
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Thanks to both for the feedback…..but why not go the direct route to where you ended up going? | | | | | Simple, because at the time I wanted to work as an interpreter/translator (which I did for a couple of years) and then got hired by a bank as they needed someone who spoke 3 languages fluently.
I was interested in finance to start with though.
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31.01.2023, 18:39
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Thanks to both for the feedback…..but why not go the direct route to where you ended up going? | | | | | For myself, I was quite young at the time (early 20s) and couldn't quite figure out what I wanted to do, career-wise. I felt like my interests were constantly evolving. If I could go back in time now, though, and re-do my studies, I think I would study neuroscience. I find consciousness and the human brain absolutely fascinating. The human brain is the most complex system in the universe that we are aware of.
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31.01.2023, 18:55
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Anything probably, I studied languages and work in corporate finance  | | | | | I studied history and political science and work in pharmaceutical medical compliance …
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31.01.2023, 19:06
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Thanks to both for the feedback…..but why not go the direct route to where you ended up going? | | | | | Why, when there are ways to make your eventual career richer? The best litigation attorney I've ever known got a PhD in Philosophy before his law degree from a top uni. He got a great job with a good firm and is still practicing at 75, long after most people have retired. He loves his work and will probably die in the saddle.
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31.01.2023, 20:31
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Where exactly is my personal attack against you in my post below?
The things I mentioned in that post are things you learn if you take a Psychology of Racism class in university. | | | | | Some people who have studied psychology, sociology, and related degrees, far too many actually, have no idea what they're talking about. They feel compelled to demonstrate their bias and stupidity, usually without even being aware of it, whether their opinion is welcome or not.
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31.01.2023, 20:42
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Some people who have studied psychology, sociology, and related degrees, far too many actually, have no idea what they're talking about. They feel compelled to demonstrate their bias and stupidity, usually without even being aware of it, whether their opinion is welcome or not. | | | | | Well, clearly you know much more than everyone else... and especially all those silly people who have actually studied something and tend to contradict your own opinions and biases.
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31.01.2023, 21:23
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Just passed by here to leave a little joke: | This user would like to thank Axa for this useful post: | | This user groans at Axa for this post: | | 
31.01.2023, 21:28
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA
Back on topic, here is a NYTs article Black Americans Are Much More Likely to Face Tax Audits, Study Finds https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/31/u...ax-audits.html
May be paywalled so a few quotes | Quote: |  | | | Black taxpayers are at least three times as likely to be audited by the Internal Revenue Service as other taxpayers, even after accounting for the differences in the types of returns each group is most likely to file, a team of economists has concluded in one of the most detailed studies yet on race and the nation’s tax system. | | | | | | Quote: |  | | | the findings document discrimination in the computer algorithms the agency uses to determine who is selected for an audit, according to the study by economists from Stanford University, the University of Michigan, the University of Chicago and the Treasury Department. | | | | | | Quote: |  | | | The result is audit rates of Black Americans that are between three and five times the rate of other taxpayers, even when comparing that group to other taxpayers who also claim the E.I.T.C. | | | | | | Quote: |  | | | In effect, the researchers suggest that the I.R.S. has focused on audits that are easier to conduct and as a result, finds itself disproportionately auditing a historically disadvantaged group rather than other taxpayers, including high net-worth individuals. | | | | | | Quote: |  | | | The I.R.S. could instead program its algorithms to target audits toward more complicated returns with higher potential dollar value to the government if an audit found errors. In that case, the discrimination in the system would vanish, the authors concluded. | | | | | | Quote: |  | | | Historic challenges and underfunding have led to audit rates for those at the top of the distribution decreasing more than the correspondence audits of those at the bottom in the last decade, which should change,” | | | | | The rich get richer …
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31.01.2023, 21:36
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Interesting. It seems from the quotes that the algorithms selects less sophisticated tax payers for audit (higher returns) - that on average tend to be "more black". So this is as "racist" as inflation then which disproportionally hurts poorer people?
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31.01.2023, 22:02
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| | Re: The racial time bomb-USA | Quote: | |  | | | Was it really necessary to pull him over at all?
Most traffic stops are an inherent consequence of systemic racism shown in policies. This incident is just the end result of such. | | | | | This is an important issue.
Around here, when we do something stupid in traffic all that happens is a fine delivered via the Post to the comfort and safety of our homes. In the worst case, a new thread on EF is started to ask what are the potential consequences...because nothing happened in the physical world after the infraction https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...at-expect.html
Compare that to being stopped roadside during the night, while an armed police officer looks for your name in criminal records databases. The irony in this difference in policing is "freedom". There's no national population register or identity cards in the US. So, the police made this check with criminal record databases. If something shows up, congrats, the police is now paranoid no matter if a dozen years has passed. Instead of getting a fine by post...you're probably now being requested to exit the car and lie on the floor face down while your car is being searched. If officer had too many stimulants, the request is done at gunpoint. Wonder why things may go wrong.
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