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Not "in between" but "other than", additional. Trying to analyze or solve a complex puzzle, and that seems to apply to all larger societal phenomena, by claiming it's monocausal isn't conducive.

More than half of all black families are single-parent, basically all with an absent father/male, with the well-known consequences of risk of poverty and children's increased criminality rates. People decide for themselves whom they marry or divorce.

70% black kids are born out of wedlock. People usually mimick what they grow up with, that way fatherless households perpetuate or even increase their share. This is the mother's individual and sole decision?

These two phenomena are relatively new, their consequences probably well known, especially the above average crime rate among the children. They're self-determined by the mother, how can that be racist?

Obviously this list is far from conclusive.

Those are quite sweeping statements. Do you have any credible source that you could please share with the forum to back up those numbers
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What about contraceptives and abortion?

Of course contraceptives should be decided by both on, but that doesn't keep either partner from deciding for themselves. A bit more difficult for the man but trivial for the mother. And abortion is the womans's sole decision.

I think you’re trying to approach an issue with logic that doesn’t always follow logic.

So, I disagree. It goes beyond contraceptive and abortion, there is a lot of social input here that neither of us know anything about. And abortion is not necessarily just the woman‘s decision. Not always.

Sometimes women are taken advantage of by men. Sometimes men by women.

Single parenting may happen because the man is incarcerated, because he can‘t find work, because he‘s been the victim of violence. Or because he already has another family. Relationships are complicated.
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What about contraceptives and abortion?

Of course contraceptives should be decided by both on, but that doesn't keep either partner from deciding for themselves. A bit more difficult for the man but trivial for the mother. And abortion is the womans's sole decision.
No, there's a difference between having the right to decide by yourself and actually deciding by yourself.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Back to my original point: I think that differential treatment of non-white versus white people within the US justice system has a lot to do with race even when Accounting for socioeconomic Staus, family structure, etc.

This is just my opinion, however.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

This says it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=452XjnaHr1A

Imagine Paul Newman is black
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if you're a black man in america, getting killed by police is a leading cause of death.
It's not, but that's what new math tells you.

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Am in agreement here.

On the last point: the question - and it’s a big and partly philosophical one - is whether the world can exist without what’s essentially a hegemonic power. The US may not want to explicitly play that role anymore and hasn’t wanted to for a while. But without it, what would happen? I agree they are dangerously close to imploding, if you consider both the looming economic disaster together with this massive level of tension which will inevitably increase once recession fully hits. But what could be the alternative?
The truth is: nobody knows what's going to happen.

And that's why everybody is so afraid.

Personally, I think it's going to get worse before it gets better (dying empires usually don't go quietly and seldom leave everything back in order...).

The only real concern with a wider, direct impact on the rest of the world is the Near-East and (maybe to a lesser degree), India-China-Pakistan (let's face it: HK and TW aren't really important in the grand scheme of things).

What will happen there without the US is anybody's guess.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Read this.....

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

Over their lifetime, black men are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police violence than white men. Works out to 1 in 1000.

It‘s a fairly important cause of mortality in young black men. While not the leading cause, it is a leading cause.
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Trump:

"The United States of America will be designating ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization."

About time such would happen.
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Old 31.05.2020, 19:43
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Uhhh! Can this be true? The national guard shooting at civilians?https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...m_source=share


Taking it with a biiiig pinch of salt but if it is a fake then a damn good one.
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No, it's not interpretation, it's simple logic.

You appear to ignore that a phenomenon may be caused by multiple factors. Not mentioning does not mean that the ones that are mentioned are the only ones.

That is where you go wrong, and don't tell me that isn't intentional, you're too intelligent and articulate to make such a mistake inadvertantly.

Welcome to my blocklist.
I guess you won't see this if you blocked me as you said that you would, but I couldn't possibly care less if you block me.

I never once said that it couldn't be caused by multiple factors. But it was you who had written the following and said that black people might actually be treated roughly the same as whites [by the judicial system] and that the predominant factor seems to be socioeconomic in nature:

"It seems to me that having access to a good lawyer (and the money to settle, where available) may be the predominant factor here. As a consequence the poor would get sentenced more often, and for longer, than their well-off or rich counterparts. An extreme case is Ethan Couch, a Texan who walked free after killing four people driving drunk due to suffering from what his lawyers termed "affluenza".

Given the socioeconomic realities, this could mean that black people are treated roughly the same as the whites in a comparable situation, but because poor whites are a smaller subset of their racial group than poor blacks, the racial average may look like blacks get handled more heavy-handed than whites although, in such a scenario, that's not necessarily the (main or only) reason."

And yet now you're trying to accuse ME of saying that there aren't multiple factors involved?
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Uhhh! Can this be true? The national guard shooting at civilians?https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...m_source=share


Taking it with a biiiig pinch of salt but if it is a fake then a damn good one.
Couldn’t be true, the apparent victims were white.

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Uhhh! Can this be true? The national guard shooting at civilians?https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...m_source=share


Taking it with a pinch of salt but if it is a fake then a damn good one.
It's real, but it's paint and they shot at a group of young people with covered faces who did not want to go inside events there's a curfew. Things are tensed so these things happen. Next time they let them be outside and they get a molotov up their ass.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

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It's real, but it's paint and they shot at a group of young people with covered faces who did not want to go inside events there's a curfew. Things are tensed so these things happen. Next time they let them be outside and they get a molotov up their ass.
I'm not saying that it's not paint, but just out of curiosity... How do you know that it's paint?

Either way, that is just really f'ed up.
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I'm not saying that it's not paint, but just out of curiosity... How do you know that it's paint?

Either way, that is just really f'ed up.
Rubber bullets perhaps, live rounds would be unthinkable.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

I´m just thinking what would happen if they had fired on those Americans with more bullets than brain cells who think that the feddle gunmint gonna impose the new world order and who think it´s their patriotic duty to fire back
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Those are quite sweeping statements. Do you have any credible source that you could please share with the forum to back up those numbers
Yale and Brookings for example. I find the latter more interesting as it also provides a historical perspective.
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While the national average for the United States in 2014 is 40 percent, the proportions of births out of wedlock for whites are 29 percent; Hispanics, 53 percent; and blacks, 71 percent.
For 2013 the HRSA (a federal agency) says that 51% households with a black mother are single-parent (today it should be a point more if my interpretation of the current tables is correct). 38% live in a two-parent household (thus in many cases with a stepfather, often a problematic situation for the children).

Including single father households, the current number should be in the 58% area for single black parents.
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Family structure differs with race and ethnicity. In 2013, less than half of non-Hispanic Black and non-Hispanic American Indian/Alaska Native children lived in two-parent households, compared to 77.4 percent of non-Hispanic White children (Figure 2).

The majority of non-Hispanic Asian (86.0 percent), non-Hispanic Native Hawaiian/other Pacific Islander (70.0 percent), non-Hispanic White (77.4 percent), and Hispanic (65.0 percent) children lived in two-parent households.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

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Not for a single-mother-to-be, that's the problem with absent fathers
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I think you’re trying to approach an issue with logic that doesn’t always follow logic.

So, I disagree. It goes beyond contraceptive and abortion, there is a lot of social input here that neither of us know anything about. And abortion is not necessarily just the woman‘s decision. Not always.

Sometimes women are taken advantage of by men. Sometimes men by women.

Single parenting may happen because the man is incarcerated, because he can‘t find work, because he‘s been the victim of violence. Or because he already has another family. Relationships are complicated.
Logic (rationality) is the only way for the government. If you try to run a state based on feeling you get what MeToo turned into in epic proportions and injustices everywhere.

WRT abortion the woman decides, and she only. The father-to-be can do nothing but hope. Assuming he's around in the first place. However it shouldn't come to that, abortion is only the emergency exit.

All the reasons you can give for single parenting have nothing to do with preventing pregnancy. No pregnancy no single parent, it's quite simple.

You mention social input. That's exactly what this is (I am) about here. Kids mimick their parent(s) and perpetuate societal aspects. Including an ever-increasing share of single-parent households, for instance, with all the adverse consequences that brings.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

A large proportion of Swiss births are out of wedlock. Europe in general has a slightly higher percentage.

So what’s your point?
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