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The racial time bomb-USA

Its exploded ( again) in USA. It just took a spark like the murder of another Afro American to set it off....to be continued!

https://www.france24.com/en/20200528...national-guard
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Old 29.05.2020, 09:02
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Don't remember where I read this (might even ve been on this forum ) but : USA, a high tech 3rd world country...
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Don't remember where I read this (might even ve been on this forum ) but : USA, a high tech 3rd world country...
3rd world? Open to interpretation?
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Civil war 2.0?
Or the country splits into apardheit?
I can´t see it going like this for much longer.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

All that stored up energy from the Corona lockdown is showing itself

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Old 29.05.2020, 09:25
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All that stored up enegy from the Corona lockdown is showing itself
The "energy" was there way before corona, it doesn´t take much to trigger Americans into doing something stupid, their country has been polarized for so long with both the left and the right showing real rancor towards each other that it doesn´t take much for them to blow it out of all proportion and be at each others throats.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

Was the cop trying to kill the guy because he was black? Unlikely. But would he have treated a white man the same way? Also Unlikely
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The "energy" was there way before corona, it doesn´t take much to trigger Americans into doing something stupid, their country has been polarized for so long with both the left and the right showing real rancor towards each other that it doesn´t take much for them to blow it out of all proportion and be at each others throats.
I agree about the polarization and how that may be lowering the threshold to violence.

But plundering and setting fire to shops is not a form of political protest - or political violence even - but just selfish and self-serving idiocy.
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Bufallo NY, 75 year old assault by Police

Of all the craziness in the US right now, this really got me angry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/u...er-unrest.html

I'm not diminishing the George Floyd murder while chained up in any way, which is an absolute disgrace on the Minneapolis Police by a few rotten apples. I hope they get their just deserts & then some.
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Re: Bufallo NY, 75 year old assault by Police

Regretfully it is not just 'a few' rotten apples. And every orchardist knows if you don't get rid of rotten apples quickly and completely they will rot every other apple that comes near them.

The entire system is broken. Why on earth were four police officers sent to arrest a man due to a suspicious $20 note? What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

The police need to be de-militarised and trained to do their jobs. That doesn't include learning the best ways to kill people.
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The entire system is broken. Why on earth were four police officers sent to arrest a man due to a suspicious $20 note?
Because two of them were brand new on the job, one on his third day I believe. The murderer was supposed to be the senior officer tutoring them and showing them how to do their jobs... yeah, I know. I must say I somehow do feel for the rookies - they witness their boss killing a suspect in a stress situation that was new for them. Not ch an excuse to not act for nine minutes, but clearly shell shocked.
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Because two of them were brand new on the job, one on his third day I believe.
Ja aber...

According to this Minneapolis Star Tribue article, while they were indeed rookie officers, the three men were not exactly completely inexperienced at policing:

https://www.startribune.com/judge-75...ath/571020052/

Gray and Kueng's defense attorney, Tom Plunkett, asked the court for lower bail, saying their clients had been police officers for just four days when Floyd was killed. Police records indicate that while the men were rookies, they had more experience than a handful of days on the force. According to their records, they joined the department in February 2019 and became full officers in December. Minneapolis officers must serve a year on probation and spend time in field training with a more senior officer before they are fully qualified.
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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

From the daily beast:

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Thao has had a spotty career with law enforcement since he started with the Minneapolis Police Department as a community service officer. After going through the police academy in 2009, he was laid off a year later. In 2012, he returned to the department.

According to Minneapolis’ Communities United Against Police Brutality, six complaints have been filed against the now-former police officer—but no disciplinary action was ever taken. The details of the six complaints were not immediately clear.

In 2017, Thao and another officer were sued by Lamar Ferguson, 26, after Ferguson alleged the two officers used excessive force during an Oct. 7, 2014 arrest. According to the lawsuit obtained by The Daily Beast, Ferguson said the officers “punch[ed], kick[ed], and kn[eed]” him “to the face and body” while he was handcuffed. The incident was so violent he suffered “broken teeth as well as other bruising and trauma.”
Four days on the job? Bullsh!t
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I believe that you can’t have a functioning democracy without a police force that polices at the will of the people and you don’t have that in the US today. But it also means the police men and women should not have to fear for their lives every time they go on the beat and you don’t have that either.

I expect that this problem can only be solved if the entire issue of gun control is addressed in addition to police reform. Unarmed policing works in Ireland and the UK because neither side expects to encounter lethal situations on a daily basis.
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I believe that you can’t have a functioning democracy without a police force that polices at the will of the people and you don’t have that in the US today. But it also means the police men and women should not have to fear for their lives every time they go on the beat and you don’t have that either.

I expect that this problem can only be solved if the entire issue of gun control is addressed in addition to police reform. Unarmed policing works in Ireland and the UK because neither side expects to encounter lethal situations on a daily basis.
I agree with everything you wrote. But clearly the problem is not simply that police are fearing for their lives. The cop that killed Floyd was not fearing for his life at the time, as he was kneeling on his neck and Floyd was already hand-cuffed. The cop who pushed that 75-year old protestor was not fearing for his life at the time. I think the problem is cops not being able to control their own behavior and aggression. And if you're so paranoid that you're not able to do your job without shooting or killing innocent people who don't have a gun, etc., then you shouldn't be a police officer in the first place.
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I believe that you can’t have a functioning democracy without a police force that polices at the will of the people and you don’t have that in the US today. But it also means the police men and women should not have to fear for their lives every time they go on the beat and you don’t have that either.

I expect that this problem can only be solved if the entire issue of gun control is addressed in addition to police reform. Unarmed policing works in Ireland and the UK because neither side expects to encounter lethal situations on a daily basis.
This. While I don't condone any criminal or even discriminatory behaviour coming from police officers, I do see their issues and their side of the story too.

I'm actually shocked by some posts here, have never seen so much disdain against police. (I did wonder though - is it police as an institution in general, all USA police forces or to whom exactly are people extending their judgements). Of course there are "good cops and bad cops", corrupted and honest, etc etc, in general. But from acknowledging that to painting them all with the same brush....I wonder where that comes from.

Besides, it's the prosecutors and other people higher up in the penal system that are mostly responsible for many of the injustices some people are talking about here. Ironically. Justice system is not so just. But I sincerely doubt it's an American only problem.

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Re: The racial time bomb-USA

In the US the racism begins at the very top. In Congress, in the Supreme Court and in The Administration.

In Switzerland it doesn’t start that high. However it is much too prevalent as this Swissinfo story demonstrates.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/racism-...ling-/45806410
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I believe that you can’t have a functioning democracy without a police force that polices at the will of the people and you don’t have that in the US today. But it also means the police men and women should not have to fear for their lives every time they go on the beat and you don’t have that either.

I expect that this problem can only be solved if the entire issue of gun control is addressed in addition to police reform. Unarmed policing works in Ireland and the UK because neither side expects to encounter lethal situations on a daily basis.
People join the army. If they get sent to war zones and fear for their life then they should not have joined the army. And the same goes for the police. War zone USA.

And violent cops were probably violent before they became cops. They maybe think that in the police force their violence will be tolerated( which is true to a great extent ). They simply have to choose better what people they put in the police force.

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People join the army. If they get sent to war zones and fear for their life then they should not have joined the army. And the same goes for the police. War zone USA .
It’s the people who don’t fear for their lives that I fear! Every time you draw arms from the armory, go through the process of dealing with live rounds and confirm you understand the rules of engagement you should take it seriously because you are being given the conditions under which you are authorized to take a human life and that is a very serious matter.

If you don’t fear for your life when you are going into a situation where you are likely to meet someone who would willingly take your life, you are not normal. But you learn to deal with it. It’s the guys that don’t fear, that don’t take it seriously the usually make the FU.
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Re: Bufallo NY, 75 year old assault by Police

The guy is an idiot.
He tried to stop, confront or remonstrate with a group of 40 riot police who were on route trying to disperse a crowd.

What did he think was going to happen? They'd stop for a chat?
He'd alter their point of view? They'd all take to the knee?
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