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Old 04.11.2020, 21:54
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Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden has won the most votes out of any candidate in history, with the former vice president notching over 70 million votes nationwide as of Wednesday afternoon.

Interesting statistic but "so what"?

As the population grows each year then so do the number of votes cast.
It's kinda interesting. In 1984, when Reagan wiped the floor with "young" Walter Mondale (carrying 49 states vs Mondale winning his home state of Minnesota, plus DC -- that's 525 Electoral College votes to 13!), he received 54,455,472 votes. So even in a victory as overwhelming as Regan's (and Nixon's in 1972) didn't pull in as many votes as Biden has in an election going to the wire.

But of course, the population of the USA has grown immensely since that time and the voter turnout in this election was the highest for 120 years.
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Last minute ballots found in Michigin and Wisconsin ?

** I've no idea who this guy is but i see the image posted many places.. Stuff like this leads to conspiracy .. If it's legit last minute counting then at least it looks suspect.


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** I've no idea who this guy is but i see the image posted many places.. Stuff like this leads to conspiracy .. If it's legit last minute counting then at least it looks suspect.


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It looks like they're beginning to finalize the vote in Wisconsin (for Biden). I just checked the map and see that it is now turning dark blue. So this would give Biden another 10 electoral votes, putting it at

Biden: 237
Trump: 213
You can get whatever map you like if you look hard enough. This one from AP via HuffPost should make you happy, but bear in mind that these are just projections, not declared results:

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Last minute ballots found in Michigin and Wisconsin ?

** I've no idea who this guy is but i see the image posted many places.. Stuff like this leads to conspiracy .. If it's legit last minute counting then at least it looks suspect.
Just guessing, but I would assume they are mailed-in ballots from some Dem stronghold in each of the states. The cities are overwhelmingly blue and their mail ballots would be delivered in one lot (or "dump" as Donny likes to call it).
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And, as expected, this election will be contested and settled via the court/courts... Was it Bowlie who wrote previously that this issue would be resolved by January 20th? He might be right...
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And, as expected, this election will be contested and settled via the court/courts... Was it Bowlie who wrote previously that this issue would be resolved by January 20th? He might be right...
On what grounds though?
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Actually this one - like most I've seen - shows the current status of the count and not a projection
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I personally think Biden wins Wisconsin, Nevada and Michigan which gives him the election. But I also think Trump will contest EVERYTHING! And the legal battle will ensue... Rumor has it, that they, (Republicans), are already contesting the voting count in Arizona.
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Last minute ballots found in Michigin and Wisconsin ?

** I've no idea who this guy is but i see the image posted many places.. Stuff like this leads to conspiracy .. If it's legit last minute counting then at least it looks suspect.
The vertical lines / increase in Biden votes in Michigan are most likely due to the mail-in ballots being counted from Detroit (high black population) as well as other areas around Detroit that were still being counted. And in Wisconsin the increase is probably due to the count in Milwaukee (which has primarily gone to Biden). In these states, many or most of the mail-in ballots were counted after the in-person poll votes were tallied.
https://apnews.com/article/election-...c6cd3a5796ec33

But anything can be a conspiracy if someone wants it to be, I guess.

Edit: Sorry, didn't mean to essentially repeat what 22Yards had written. I just noticed her comment after posting the above.
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On what grounds though?
That there was mail in ballot dumping - albeit allegedly.
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Last minute ballots found in Michigin and Wisconsin ?

** I've no idea who this guy is but i see the image posted many places.. Stuff like this leads to conspiracy .. If it's legit last minute counting then at least it looks suspect.
Several states stopped posting updates. As that has happened towards the end of the count when they are on mail ins, so mad surprise that they are majority Biden.

Please anyway stop and check before posting such unsubstantiated rubbish. Puts yoh in exactly the same boat as Trump.
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That there was mail in ballot dumping - albeit allegedly.
A ballot dumpling? Sounds Chinese.
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Old 04.11.2020, 22:25
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Nevada is still very close, and it's showing only 86% of the total vote count being in, at this time, for Nevada. If Trump takes Pennsylvania, Georgia and North Carolina and the vote in Nevada ends up switching to be in his favor, that would put Trump at exactly 270 electoral votes.

So as it is now, in order for Biden to win, Biden has to keep the lead in Michigan as well as Nevada (and Arizona), which would also put him at exactly 270 electoral votes.

This election is crazy. It will be interesting to see what's changed in terms of the #'s when I wake up in the morning.
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Interesting point in the count. Currently, most observers have the Electoral College standing at Biden 227, Trump 213, with 98 Electoral College votes undetermined. If Biden picks up just the states where he is currently in the lead -- Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin and Michigan -- he will end up with 270 Electoral College votes.

The target to win is... 270 votes.

By the way, the Trump campaign has already requested a recount in Wisconsin (they are entitled to this), and filed a suit alleging that their observers have been denied access to watch the opening of some ballots, and they want the count to be halted until their issue is resolved.
Actually no!

The Trump campaign can only request a recount in Wisconsin if the margin is less than 1%; which they will not know until the count is finished.
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Some states such as Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan aren't allowed to begin counting their mail-in ballots until election day, which is one reason why their final count is taking so long. Trump has been telling his supporters for months to not vote by mail, so that could explain why so many mail-in votes are going toward Biden. However, Pennsylvania is still showing to be in Trump's favor.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...ail-in-voting/



People receive a ballot in the mail with their name on it as well as their address. And yes, they are each linked to a real person and verified. Here is a pretty good article that explains how the process works:

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2020/...-instructions/

I found it interesting when I read in there that "in 2016, nearly one-quarter of U.S. votes were cast by mail."

And here is a video of how the process does not work. Incompetent and untrained pollsters allowing people to bring in multiple ballots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM-Wq4PGCqE

Add in all the ballot dumping in multiple states the last week and this whole election just stinks foul. But hey, thats how its been the last few elections. Both sides do it. Ron Paul vs Mitt Romney for example, and are we really sure Democrat voters favored Biden over Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang or even Bernie Sanders?? Tulsi did end the run from Harris after she pointed out how Harris blocked evidence that proved the innocence of a man on death row. She was willing to send an innocent man to his death just to prop up her prosecution rate. Sick. Anyhoo, there is book entitled Blackbox voting, dont know if anything has been fixed since then. Dont care really. Its all been a sham for a very long time now and we in the civilian world are spoon fed our info so its hard to sift through all the B.S. If your news source falls under the financial umbrella of the military industrial complex (they ALL do) then you are misinformed. We all are.

I dont believe or trust anything anymore. That veil came down during my second year in the military. Other than natural disasters there is no such thing as a black swan. Its all planned. Yours truly helped paint a white swan black and black swan white.

Donald Trump is the only black swan in decades, according to some heavy brass much older than myself.



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Is is 2024 yet? Pretty please?

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Last minute ballots found in Michigin and Wisconsin ?
Please do not repeat this comical alt-right propaganda.

They were not "found". They were always there, just not counted yet.

If you read the rules about how different States count the votes then you will see some states count the paper votes first followed by counting the mail-in votes.
Other states count the mail-in votes first followed by the paper votes.

Some process them in parallel.

BTW Michigan is so spelt not "Michigin"
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And here is a video of how the process does not work. Incompetent and untrained pollsters allowing people to bring in multiple ballots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM-Wq4PGCqE

Add in all the ballot dumping in multiple states the last week and this whole election just stinks foul. But hey, thats how its been the last few elections. Both sides do it. Ron Paul vs Mitt Romney for example, and are we really sure Democrat voters favored Biden over Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang or even Bernie Sanders?? Tulsi did end the run from Harris after she pointed out how Harris blocked evidence that proved the innocence of a man on death row. She was willing to send an innocent man to his death just to prop up her prosecution rate. Sick. Anyhoo, there is book entitled Blackbox voting, dont know if anything has been fixed since then. Dont care really. Its all been a sham for a very long time now and we in the civilian world are spoon fed our info so its hard to sift through all the B.S. If your news source falls under the financial umbrella of the military industrial complex (they ALL do) then you are misinformed. We all are.

I dont believe or trust anything anymore. That veil came down during my second year in the military. Other than natural disasters there is no such thing as a black swan. Its all planned. Yours truly helped paint a white swan black and black swan white.

Donald Trump is the only black swan in decades, according to some heavy brass much older than myself.



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Is is 2024 yet? Pretty please?

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If it's any consolation, I also liked Tulsi Gabbard as she was a centrist Democrat but the establishment (aka...Hillary, discredited her from the outset and implied that she was a "Russian" agent/informant). What a shame as she is articulate and intelligent but I gather she was too much of a threat to the Democratic establishment. Like Bernie (a threat) but not as progressive as Bernie and probably too conservative too.

If Biden wins, and it looks as though he may well do (aside from literally DRAGGING Trump out of the White House as there is zero chance he will accept ANY loss...lol) I give Biden 6 months in office tops. Between the stress of the role as President, his failing mental acuity, and his son's issues - and the DOJ investigation calling him as witness to his son's money laundering investigation, my bet is he resigns after a short time (claiming health issues) and Kamilla becomes President. But what the heck do I know - or anyone for that matter?

I thought Biden would win by a huge margin given most polls I read.

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Whatever the outcome of this election... I just want peace. I'm tired of seeing so many Americans hate one another. I feel like, in many ways, I'm on the outside looking in now (because of living here), and what I see is a country destroying itself with its own hatred. I've read that 50 years ago, this kind of hatred between the left and the right didn't exist. Republicans and Democrats use to be able to sit down and have calm, rational conversations with one another and still invite each other over for dinner afterward. But now, it feels like there is a civil war going on in US politics, with most of us caught in the crossfire. And so much of the meaning has somehow been lost -- that of trying to actually improve the lives of Americans, regardless of their race or socioeconomic status.

I just want peace. I'm tired of the hate, and I'm tired of seeing my country destroy itself with it.
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