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Old 06.11.2020, 16:41
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Fun fact: If Trump ends up losing, he can run again in 2024 if he wants.
And if he's alive
And if he's not in prison
Not quite about that but ... if someone serves 8 years as President and then has a break of 4 years could they then stand as a possible candidate and become President again - potentially for another 8 years if re-elected? Or does the Constitution not allow that?
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Not quite about that but ... if someone serves 8 years as President and then has a break of 4 years could they then stand as a possible candidate and become President again - potentially for another 8 years if re-elected? Or does the Constitution not allow that?
No. 22nd Amendment. Otherwise they would have brought Obama back
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Trump has officially beaten the 2016 UK remain campaign into second place for worst political loser ever.
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...there's a sizable group that are not happy with the political system and establishment as a whole. These people are not voting FOR Trump, they are voting AGAINST the establishment. Democrats are not getting it: Biden IS part of the establishment and no, he's not a "ray of sunshine", he's more like a "sunset". Had the Dems selected a decent, younger and fresh face, this would have looked very different.
I don't disagree, but what's so interesting is that these anti-establishment folks largely continue to vote for the same old senators and reps to posts in Washington.

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...We won't offer a platform to the world's biggest bully who has committed unmeasurable damage in his 4 short years as POTUS more than most world leaders ever have. He will no longer have the same voice & the same audience for his idiotic & hateful nonsense...
Don't speak too soon. If I've thought of Trump running in 2024 then someone in his circle has too. Imagine, he'll have 4 years to golf whenever he wants, continue to say whatever the hell he wants on twitter/Fox, still get buckets of free media coverage, AND not have that pesky job of being president while doing it. He's a winner!

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Decisiondeskhq called PA for biden 50mins ago.
See also post 2291.

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Not quite about that but ... if someone serves 8 years as President and then has a break of 4 years could they then stand as a possible candidate and become President again - potentially for another 8 years if re-elected? Or does the Constitution not allow that?
No. Two terms is the limit since Amendment 22 was ratified. It doesn't matter whether consecutive or not. The only exception is if the VP takes over and serves not more than two years of the original president's term. Then that person would be able to run for two of his/her own terms.

If we check the calendar, two years plus one day would be January 21, 2023. If Harris were to take over before that date, she'd only be allowed to run for one term of her own. If she were to take over after that date, she could run for two terms of her own.
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Might be more convincing if he could spell Philadelphia?

They were saying Arizona is John McCain's revenge and now Georgia is John Lewis's revenge since Biden is getting so many votes in Lewis's 5th Congressional District.

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Assuming both Arizona and Georgia fall to Joe.

Edit: 10 min ago
Here's where the vote stands in Arizona's Maricopa County
Arizona's Maricopa County, which includes the Phoenix area, just released its latest tally as it continues to count votes.

Here are the latest numbers:

Joe Biden: 972,570 votes
President Trump: 912,115 votes

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Trump won 55.6% of the ballots counted in Maricopa County on Thursday to Biden's 41.7%.
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Might be more convincing if he could spell Philadelphia?

They were saying Arizona is John McCain's revenge and now Georgia is John Lewis's revenge since Biden is getting so many votes in Lewis's 5th Congressional District.

Assuming both Arizona and Georgia fall to Joe.
The guy is actually insane. I used to think he was just a selfish, lazy, intellectual dwarf. But he's a full blown megalomaniac. I think he genuinely believes that there is a conspiracy against him. I don't think he is trying to lie to his supporters. I think he is pathologically incapable of accepting that he can lose at something and so his brain goes on strike.

I'm genuinely surprised by his reaction. I thought he'd just say - well I was the greatest president ever and then and go and play golf.
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Trump is apparently still in denial. I am enjoying this so much!

"...Trump’s allies have grown concerned that someone is going to have to reckon with the President that his time in office is potentially coming to an end, though they have not decided who should be the one to do it. There has been talk of potentially Jared Kushner or Ivanka Trump doing so, sources said..."


https://edition.cnn.com/politics/liv...e4c98bacad22e9
Why? I mean why do you enjoy this show so much? It's kind of sad, even if it's about Trump. I would have hoped he'd admit defeat, thank everyone for their support, move on to the next tv shows/having someone write his memoirs/book tours/speeches about when he was the most powerful man, how great he was and how he tried to shake the establishment.

Sorry, I can't enjoy this show.
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The guy is actually insane. I used to think he was just a selfish, lazy, intellectual dwarf. But he's a full blown megalomaniac. I think he genuinely believes that there is a conspiracy against him. I don't think he is trying to lie to his supporters. I think he is pathologically incapable of accepting that he can lose at something and so his brain goes on strike.

I'm genuinely surprised by his reaction. I thought he'd just say - well I was the greatest president ever and then and go and play golf.
The proper term in DC is "NUTS"

after 4 years , my blood pressure ,my nerves and my bowel movement are normal again : msnnerd:

But now I am worried about Tom

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after 4 years , my blood pressure ,my nerves and my bowel movement are normal again : msnnerd:

But now I am worried about Tom
You don't have to stress anymore about making America great again?

Was it tiring?

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Don't speak too soon. If I've thought of Trump running in 2024 then someone in his circle has too.
I never thought about this. Actually, not sure. It is costly, in all sorts of way. But I don't think he'd come up with it just yet - "It is ok, people, I'll be back" would calm a lot of people down and he might equal calm with giving up. I don't think that he wants Americans to give up or to cave in to resignation.

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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Just to put it in perspective:

Georgia's turnout wasn't just a matter of mildly motivating people to take some little time to go and cast a vote. It was a HUMONGOUS effort to mobilize people and them enduring an obviously very discriminatory voting system.

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Old 06.11.2020, 19:34
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...I never thought about this. Actually, not sure. It is costly, in all sorts of way. But I don't think he'd come up with it just yet - "It is ok, people, I'll be back" would calm a lot of people down and he might equal calm with giving up. I don't think that he wants Americans to give up to cave in to resignation.
Of course he'll first fight the battle of recounts and court cases. He loves a good fight, and his base 100% expects it. If he were to go on TV right after Fox News called the race for Biden, his base would not be happy. Trump is already outraged that Fox was the first major news source to call Arizona for Biden.

In terms of cost, he can keep spending campaign money all along if he declares his candidacy for 2024. He filed federal paperwork for his candidacy for re-election in 2020 on the same day he was inaugurated in 2017. Wikipedia also says "Trump started spending money on the 2020 race on November 24, 2016 (sixteen days after the end of the 2016 election)."

However he would not be wise to file now, while he's still claiming he won this election. The constitution prohibits a third term so he's either won this or running in 2024 but not both.
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I wonder if he thinks the right leaning supreme court will back him?

Of course they may be right leaning, but they are undeniably proper judges and will laugh in his face.
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I wonder if it had even ever occurred to Trump that he might legitimately lose the election.

If the GOP were wise, they would try to discourage him from running again. It will be interesting to see how many people in Trump's political circle begin to open up and be more truthful, regarding their thoughts of him, once he's no longer in power. I came across this article a bit ago:

Sources close to the White House say some officials are beginning to quietly back away from Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/liv...da48de8984383b

"Sources close to the White House said some senior officials inside the White House and the campaign are beginning to quietly back away from Trump, in acts of self-preservation, as the returns in Pennsylvania and Georgia indicate the President will not win reelection.

"It's over," one key adviser to the administration said of the race. The adviser went on to say there are concerns about what Trump will do, beyond the question of whether he will concede the race".
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Of course they may be right leaning, but they are undeniably proper judges and will laugh in his face.
Yes! I'm optimistic and think so, too. Now that they are in the position they wanted and he helped them to get into, they no longer need him.

The puppeteer has suddenly become the puppet of his former subordinates. Deciding between pleasing their former master throwing a tantrum plus a potential civil war, or being egoistic and illoyal (perceived by him, but funny enough the opposite to the public) and just dumping this now powerless man, I'm sure they're going for the right thing.

It's so ironic, it couldn't be better Just perfect!

(the rulings after that probably won't be so considerate though...)
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I wonder if it had even ever occurred to Trump that he might legitimately lose the election.

If the GOP were wise, they would try to discourage him from running again. It will be interesting to see how many people in Trump's political circle begin to open up and be more truthful, regarding their thoughts of him, once he's no longer in power. I came across this article a bit ago:

Sources close to the White House say some officials are beginning to quietly back away from Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/liv...da48de8984383b

"Sources close to the White House said some senior officials inside the White House and the campaign are beginning to quietly back away from Trump, in acts of self-preservation, as the returns in Pennsylvania and Georgia indicate the President will not win reelection.

"It's over," one key adviser to the administration said of the race. The adviser went on to say there are concerns about what Trump will do, beyond the question of whether he will concede the race".
The problem for the GOP is Trump will keep tweeting and will retain his loyal cult base so if they want to be reelected next time around then they will keep very quiet.
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Colbert right on it


https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/bre...24?jwsource=cl
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Why? I mean why do you enjoy this show so much? It's kind of sad, even if it's about Trump.
Because what's happening now shows him to be weak, in denial and powerless. Precisely the opposite of the image he was projecting about himself and the reason why so many like him. Now they see an old grumpy man who hasn't realized he's been retired and there's nothing he can do about it.

Yes, I'm enjoying him looking powerless
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I wonder if it had even ever occurred to Trump that he might legitimately lose the election.

If the GOP were wise, they would try to discourage him from running again. It will be interesting to see how many people in Trump's political circle begin to open up and be more truthful, regarding their thoughts of him, once he's no longer in power. I came across this article a bit ago:

Sources close to the White House say some officials are beginning to quietly back away from Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/liv...da48de8984383b

"Sources close to the White House said some senior officials inside the White House and the campaign are beginning to quietly back away from Trump, in acts of self-preservation, as the returns in Pennsylvania and Georgia indicate the President will not win reelection.

"It's over," one key adviser to the administration said of the race. The adviser went on to say there are concerns about what Trump will do, beyond the question of whether he will concede the race".
The best thing is Trump will be "welcoming" a black woman into the White House in one of the most powerful political positions in the world.
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The problem for the GOP is Trump will keep tweeting and will retain his loyal cult base so if they want to be reelected next time around then they will keep very quiet.
It's like he's hijacked the GOP. Hopefully at least more members of his current support base will eventually 'wake up' as well. I think many of them viewed him as some kind of hero, and one who was going to beat Biden, but now they're going to be forced to confront reality (even regardless of whether or not they're willing to accept it). Maybe some will, over time, become disillusioned.
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I wonder if he thinks the right leaning supreme court will back him?

Of course they may be right leaning, but they are undeniably proper judges and will laugh in his face.
It seems plausible he would think this way. Throughout his business life and his presidency, he's expected unwavering loyalty from everyone he's hired. In his mind, he "hired" Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett and therefore they should be loyal to him in any case that comes before SCOTUS.

So far, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh have each voted once on a case in the opposite way Trump would have wanted. He expects the court will hear whatever case he wants and that he can bring it directly there, but as you know that's not how it works.
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