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Aha. How much more time?
Guess the white American has all the time of the world to just wait for it.

Exactly that - and when it takes too long, far far too long- violence ensues.
Apartheid in South Africa finished a long time ago- but in 100s of ways, it might as well still be there. And it will blow- one day.
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Aha. How much more time?
Guess the white American has all the time of the world to just wait for it.

Time needed? Several generations unfortunately 😔
But so good to see yet another step foward
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The Four Seasons Total Landscaping thing is hilarious.

Between the crematorium and the adult book store.

They tried to get the Four Seasons Hotel but it didn't work out?

I hope they got charged hotel rates and the owner made a year's profit
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Lots of catching up to do! I'll be polite and do some smaller multi-quotes so as not to annoy too much.

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..You don't have to be a Trump supporter to suspect that massive amounts of voter fraud are involved in this election.
Suspect perhaps, but prove? There are Republicans at all levels of government involved in elections and in every state. If there was massive fraud, there would also be massive evidence because Republicans would be all over it. Instead, throughout American history there are plenty of claims but never any evidence of widespread fraud. There are a few isolated cases here and there.

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... Voter suppression is still a much more serious problem than voter fraud...
Agree, especially as legislatures can build voter suppression into the statutes.

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I think there are two kinds of people in the world: Those who allow facts, truth and reality to shape their beliefs and those who filter their understanding of reality according to their beliefs... what they want to be true rather than what it is.
We're all guilty of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance on some level. Trump takes those to a whole new level and brings his followers along.

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From the results I would say this time around more Americans favour Republicans than Democrats. But more Americans dislike Trump than Biden. And those that do got their vote in early...
100% agree with this assessment.

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...Meantime, native Americans who live in reservations and have no stable addresses couldn't vote. And probably there are other categories who were prevented from voting, but hey ho. I can find articles on that one too.
This is where legislatures can suppress the vote as mentioned above. The states I'm most familiar with have procedures to allow the homeless or those without an address to vote, but it's possible other states require a valid postal street address.

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I think that Trump had basically brainwashed his supporters to feel 100% convinced that he was going to win the election...
He certainly conditioned his supporters to think and feel a certain way. Part 1 - I'm going to win. Part 2 - If for some reason I don't win, it's not because people prefer another candidate. It's because of fraud.
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Biden Victory on Saturday Night Live
For those that missed Saturday Night Live - Election results parody last night, here it is:

Saturday Night Live - Election night cold open

Finally for those that want to relive all the media coverage from the Presidential race
for the White House, here's more:

Who will be President in the US Presidential Cup Race ?

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This is a new dawn for America, and this is a time for hope and healing and positive change.
Nothing will change.

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Old 08.11.2020, 16:23
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Nothing will change.

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Well, there is one thing: The presidential speeches will use a wider vocabulary. That alone is a relieve.
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Old 08.11.2020, 16:30
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This thing with the TV networks declaring the result is really weird. In a normal country one would have an official result published by an election authority, and mostly still on the same day.
It is called "Transparency"The counting is not done yet . Most of the time when one reaches over 50% it becomes clear
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We're all guilty of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance on some level. Trump takes those to a whole new level and brings his followers along.
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He certainly conditioned his supporters to think and feel a certain way. Part 1 - I'm going to win. Part 2 - If for some reason I don't win, it's not because people prefer another candidate. It's because of fraud.
He played with people's emotions and nobody could tell him to slow down. That's why you could see people swearing they voted against socialism/communism, they were told Biden will bring communism to the USA. ...

I wonder if the Democrats will try to see where they went wrong. Not in the last 4 years, but like, for many decades ago. Identity politics is probably one of the things that don't go down well with the Republican voters. Or the politicisation of academia. Academia should be free of political interference.

People want a change, not an exchange, not post-truth era.
I do hope they'll do well, but that would mean to be able to understand the other side too.

Anyways, the clown is gone, I'm glad I won't have to read his brain farts again. He can be happy with his Twitter fans, write books, play golf, enjoy retirement.
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Old 08.11.2020, 17:08
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..."The survey from the Pew Research Center, which includes responses from 1,284 veterans collected in May and June, also found that one-third of veterans reported they had trouble paying their bills in the first few years after leaving the military, and about 40 percent of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans believed their deployment had a negative effect on their mental health."
This is the telling thing for me. The military has struggled to continue to recruit new members for presidents' pointless wars since about the end of the cold war. At one point it offered sign-on bonuses of $5k or more, although I'm not sure it's still the case.

One "nice" thing about most military assignments is that housing is paid for in addition to the salary. This sounds nice on the surface but a lot of military folks live paycheck to paycheck even with the housing benefit. A friend of mine chose to stay in the military after popping out two kids, because he knew he couldn't manage his own finances in the civilian world. So long as he's in the military, his family will never be homeless or hungry.

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This thing with the TV networks declaring the result is really weird. In a normal country one would have an official result published by an election authority, and mostly still on the same day.
Perfectly normal in the USA. Every major news outlet conducts pre-election and exit polls, and does statistical analysis based on previous elections. It was safe to call Oklahoma and Wyoming immediately after the polls closed because neither state has voted majority for a Democrat for president since 1964. On the blue side, Hawaii hasn't voted for a Republican for president since 1984.

Historically candidates have accepted and gone along with this tradition, because networks have almost never been wrong. Even in 2000, media projected Bush 43 as the winner and he eventually wound up the winner.

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...I assume Trump will start to calling him "Mr Biden" instead of "Sleepy Joe" over the coming days...
You're an optimist for once!

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Can you pardon someone for something he hasn't been accused of yet?
This is open to debate. A pardon is generally granted to someone who has been found guilty of a crime. Aside from being impeached, for which Trump can't pardon himself, he's not been found guilty of any other federal crime yet. Some scholars say Trump could pardon himself. Others say he can't because a) he's not been found guilty yet and b) a self-pardon would essentially mean he's not prosecutable for any federal crime, which isn't true. He just can't be indicted while in office.

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...if Dems don't take the Senate - and it is expected they will not hold the majority, then Biden (if he lasts more than 6 months which I doubt at this point) will be a "lame" duck...
He's not entirely a lame duck. He has the majority in the House, which is where a lot of legislation starts. He also has many, many friends in the Senate even if they won't publicly admit it As VP he worked closely with McConnell to still get some things done when Obama was pres.

Will the Ds push through everything they dreamed of? No. But neither will the Rs.
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Old 08.11.2020, 17:13
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100% today for Trump so far.
Five tweets and all labelled false by Twitter.

He needs to stop moaning then go and use his smartphone to play solitaire, or golf if he can find a partner.
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Letís also hope Biden and gang donít revert to the warmongering under Obama who launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.
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Seriously how many other US presidents have not had a war during their 4 year term? I don't like Trump.
If you count the likes of the ongoing conflicts that Midfield General listed as Obama's wars, you have to do the same with Trump. For example:
  • American military involvement in Afghanistan commenced under Bush 43 in 2001 and has continued under all subsequent US presidents.
  • The US invaded Iraq in 2003, also under Bush 43, after his daddy had a trial run a few years earlier.
  • Intervention in the civil war in Syria started under Obama in 2014, continued under Trump and will be inherited by Biden.
  • NATO (including the US) intervened in Libya under Obama in 2011 -- that was concluded rapidly and you can chalk it up as an "Obama war", if you like.
  • Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the US has been directly involved in the war in Yemen. They have been providing quite a lot of intelligence and logistical assistance to the Saudi Arabian military effort, starting under Obama (probably in 2014). Congress, including the Republican-led Senate, voted in 2019 to end that support, but the resolution was vetoed by Trump and the Senate did not override the veto.
  • The US has been bombing militant groups in Somalia since 2007. Bush 43, again. The involvement is ongoing.
  • Pakistan is probably the US's closest ally in Asia. The US has nine military bases in Pakistan (with full consent from the Pakistani government), and this continued under Trump and will continue under Biden. I guess the military raid you're referring to was the killing of Bin Laden in 2011, ordered by Obama. I don't think too many people in the US or Pakistan were against that.
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Forgot to add...with Trump gone, how will the media cope? LOL
Fear not, TNN (Trump News Network) launches soon.

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...Hey...maybe in 2024, we will see some possibilities/hope and/or better candidates?
We saw decent candidates in 2016 too yet we wound up with a choice of Clinton or Trump.

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How come the USA has not been at war for 4 years? How long before the USA is at war again?
Don't kid yourself. There are American boots on the ground all over the place, and the US govt. uses proxies in many places.

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...If SCOTUS rules that the mandate is unconsititional then the rest of the ACA might fall... including pre-existing condition protections. That will affect millions of Americans, young and old, and likely even more than currently estimated because we don't yet know what COVID means to pre-existing condition definitions.

Previous attempt to derail the ACA via SCOTUS failed by a 5-4 vote, normally conservative Roberts as the swing vote. We now face a 6-3 split...
There are two separate questions. I think SCOTUS will take the middle road. The individual mandate will fall. However, separability is at play. I believe SCOTUS will determine that just because one part of the law is unconstitutional it doesn't mean the whole thing is. They're not stupid. They know Americans would freak out if they totally eliminated Obamacare with one move when there's nothing to take its place.

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Only a complete psychopath would feel that all Americans (including families with children) shouldn't have access to affordable healthcare and/or threaten to take that away from them... and particularly during a pandemic.

And this is so representational of one of the biggest problems in government... Just a complete lack of empathy and compassion and basic human decency.
I think it's more nuanced than that. There are two primary complaints I have heard from friends who hate Obamacare. 1 - The law was passed under Obama. 2 - The individual mandate sucks. Other than that, everyone I know appreciates the expanded options for healthcare and the coverage for pre-existing conditions.
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Nothing will change.

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Do you think nothing has changed over the past 4 years?
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Do you think nothing has changed over the past 4 years?
No.

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If you count the likes of the ongoing conflicts that Midfield General listed as Obama's wars, you have to do the same with Trump. For example:
  • American military involvement in Afghanistan commenced under Bush 43 in 2001 and has continued under all subsequent US presidents.
  • The US invaded Iraq in 2003, also under Bush 43, after his daddy had a trial run a few years earlier.
  • Intervention in the civil war in Syria started under Obama in 2014, continued under Trump and will be inherited by Biden.
  • NATO (including the US) intervened in Libya under Obama in 2011 -- that was concluded rapidly and you can chalk it up as an "Obama war", if you like.
  • Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the US has been directly involved in the war in Yemen. They have been providing quite a lot of intelligence and logistical assistance to the Saudi Arabian military effort, starting under Obama (probably in 2014). Congress, including the Republican-led Senate, voted in 2019 to end that support, but the resolution was vetoed by Trump and the Senate did not override the veto.
  • The US has been bombing militant groups in Somalia since 2007. Bush 43, again. The involvement is ongoing.
  • Pakistan is probably the US's closest ally in Asia. The US has nine military bases in Pakistan (with full consent from the Pakistani government), and this continued under Trump and will continue under Biden. I guess the military raid you're referring to was the killing of Bin Laden in 2011, ordered by Obama. I don't think too many people in the US or Pakistan were against that.
In short, Trump didn't start any wars.

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In short, Trump didn't start any wars.

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He fuelled a nasty race war and has another 70 or days to continue it.
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100% today for Trump so far.
Five tweets and all labelled false by Twitter.

He needs to stop moaning then go and use his smartphone to play solitaire, or golf if he can find a partner.
Former president D.Trump acts like a spoilt brat deprived of his favourite toy. Let it go - even Melani tells him to accept the loss. Soon she will divorce him anyway once those shenanigans are over. It’s really getting silly.

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At least the country is still pretty much intact for now, had Trump won the other side would have burned everything by now.
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At least the country is still pretty much intact for now, had Trump won the other side would have burned everything by now.
That's pretty much fact free, and rather insulting.
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