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Old 11.11.2020, 10:58
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Honestly, at this point, I could really see Trump being led out of the White House in handcuffs.

One of the things I have become forced to realize about Trump is that... Just when I think it all couldn't possibly become any more bizarre, it does.
You're underestimating the power of his supporters within the White House. McConnell und co are being remarkably silent and probably complicit. It's going to take decades to overturn Trump's policies and tea party stain.
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Old 11.11.2020, 11:07
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Voter fraud takes place on a significant scale in UK elections thanks to postal voting. For whatever reason no one feels the need to investigate it (likely because politicians feel it suits them). Most countries don’t allow postal voting for exactly this reason. Vote in person, with a valid ID, and we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

I’m sure evidence will be provided firstly because postal voting is so open to fraud, and secondly, because it’s the US. Let’s see what evidence gets brought before the courts.

https://www.newsweek.com/voting-frau...pinion-1522535
It is completely untrue voter fraud takes place on a significant scale in UK elections thanks to postal voting.
It is also arrant nonsense no one feels the need to investigate it. The Electoral Commission is the independent body created in 2001 as a result of the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 that oversees elections in the UK and investigates all voter fraud allegations, report is here.

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In 2019, there was no evidence of large-scale electoral fraud.
There were three convictions and an individual was given a police caution.

In 2018, there was no evidence of large-scale electoral fraud.
There was one conviction, and two suspects accepted police cautions.

In 2017, there was one conviction and eight suspects accepted police cautions.

Quoting a link which has not one single case of US mail-in voter fraud to support your claim that there is widespread US mail-in voter fraud is typical of your chaotic approach.
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Old 11.11.2020, 11:34
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You're underestimating the power of his supporters within the White House. McConnell und co are being remarkably silent and probably complicit. It's going to take decades to overturn Trump's policies and tea party stain.
Well, maybe they'll all be led out in handcuffs, then.
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The author of this article is surely a trustworthy and balanced source.

"John R. Lott, Jr. is the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center and the author of the new book, Gun Control Myths."

Clicking on the amazon link to get a preview of the fascinating gun book I read the following:

"From myths about mass public shootings to suicides to gun ownership rates and crime to gun free zones, Lott addresses the claims you frequently hear in the media and explains what is wrong with those claims. “John Lott has been giving us the facts about guns for decades. Finally clear to all that one party in America has an anti-Second Amendment platform and wants to disarm you. Now you need to arm yourself with the Truth. Buy and read Gun Control Myths today. Before it’s too late.” Sebastian Gorka Ph.D.,host of AMERICAN First, former Strategist to President Trump “
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There are just no widespread reports of voter fraud in the US. People have tried. The NYTimes contacted every state to see if there were instances of voter fraud. Nothing significant or systemic.

I know nothing about the UK, so would not extrapolate.

Who is this guy you cite?
It's not for the New York Times to decide this (not that what they write can be trusted these days), rather the law courts. If the courts decide there is no widespread voter fraud then so be it.
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I'll ignore the election campaigns in tower hamlets where I lived and campaigned in then.

But more widely - no it's not the method of cheating involved. That's the Labour Party (Momentum Wing) ignoring campaign spend limits and producing buckets of literature without it being accounted for and with no imprint.
I'd even dispute the second point. It is so easy to get a postal vote in the UK. There was even someone on these pages saying they'd been voting illegally in UK elections for years.

I'm not sure how organised this sort of thing is, however the system is open to abuse. Just because it hasn't been investigated thoroughly (and I don't believe the electoral commission is fit for purpose to do this) it doesn't mean fraud doesn't take place.

Steve Baker MP has written about this but no one seems to be bothered about changing anything, likely because it suits everyone not to do so.

https://www.politicshome.com/thehous...y-cannot-go-on

https://www.stevebaker.info/2019/11/...ns-in-wycombe/
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Old 11.11.2020, 12:14
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

It appears as if Trump & Co. are seriously planning on staying in power by any means. He won't concede the election and is now firing anyone in the defense department who would stand in his way of usurping Biden's power when the time comes on Jan. 20.

"There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration"

-Mike Pompeo


It's gonna get even more ugly
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Old 11.11.2020, 12:22
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It appears as if Trump & Co. are seriously planning on staying in power by any means. He won't concede the election and is now firing anyone in the defense department who would stand in his way of usurping Biden's power when the time comes on Jan. 20.

"There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration"

-Mike Pompeo


It's gonna get even more ugly
And we’ll be seeing who supports that ugliness. It feels like a power struggle equivalent to the Middle Ages.
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Old 11.11.2020, 12:23
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"There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration"

-Mike Pompeo


It's gonna get even more ugly

You could not make this shit up! Full banana republic mode
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Old 11.11.2020, 13:00
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It's not for the New York Times to decide this (not that what they write can be trusted these days), rather the law courts.
But Courts don't investigate. Surely an appropriate authority is in charge of gathering evidence to be presented to the courts, right?
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Old 11.11.2020, 13:03
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

I think one of the most shocking things that Trump could do right now is to actually admit that he lost the election.

Nearly 80% of Americans say Biden won White House, ignoring Trump's refusal to concede: Reuters/Ipsos poll
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-u...-idINKBN27Q3DW

"Nearly 80% of Americans, including more than half of Republicans, recognize President-elect Joe Biden as the winner of the Nov. 3 election after most media organizations called the race for the Democrat based on his leads in critical battleground states, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll."
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Old 11.11.2020, 13:05
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It's not for the New York Times to decide this (not that what they write can be trusted these days), rather the law courts. If the courts decide there is no widespread voter fraud then so be it.


Of course not. Courts decide, journalists, etc investigate. However, that‘s the result of their research. And, historically there is simply very little evidence of voter fraud. These cases are simply a distraction and an effort to create confusion. And it‘s appalling.

And yes, they should recount where needed, no question.
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Old 11.11.2020, 13:10
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But Courts don't investigate. Surely an appropriate authority is in charge of gathering evidence to be presented to the courts, right?
Rudy Giuliani
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Rudy Giuliani
Appropriate, I don't think that covers Rudy.
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There are just no widespread reports of voter fraud in the US. People have tried. The NYTimes contacted every state to see if there were instances of voter fraud. Nothing significant or systemic.
After the 2016 election Trump couldn't cope with the fact that Clinton got more votes tham him and set up his own commission to investigate voter fraud.

In 2017 the commission disbanded having found NO significant evidence. Yes, even his own enquiry failed to find anything material.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/u...ommission.html
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I'd even dispute the second point. It is so easy to get a postal vote in the UK.
Only if you live there.

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There was even someone on these pages saying they'd been voting illegally in UK elections for years.
I don't recall anyone making such a claim, nor have I seen any evidence that it's easy for a non-resident to illegally get a postal vote. How would you go about it?

If you can't show us how easy it is then your statement is worth nothing.
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Old 11.11.2020, 13:21
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How is a book on gun control related to statistics on countries around that world that use mail voting?
Through the author. You should Google the guy, it leads you right down the rabbit hole of gun activism, HQC and other alt-right fantasies.
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There is no requirement that Trump concede. It’s just a tradition. Just shows that he’s a poor loser.

But he would need to be sworn in again by the Chief Justice, and that is doubtful.

I expect the secret service would simply escort him to the door. Story is that many of them detest him.

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Trump now negotiating about his freedom after 20th Jan, that's why he throwing all this sh%t on the fan
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, I clicked on that link thinking there is an article....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAq443fhyDo
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