Votes for Biden now over 77million, 5 million more than Trump
Video of Trump being removed from WH, it is Facebook so not sure if non-FB users can see it.

LOL. Maybe they could play a trick on him and tell him there is an election ceremony somewhere, to celebrate his win, and while he's gone, change all the locks on the doors of the White House.

I couldn't find that again, it was around the time of the UK election last year! Someone said they were able to vote despite being out of the country for over 15 years. Applied for a vote from a friend/relatives address and received it no problem.

But authority does?

Actually, I find the New York Times to be far more accurate and reliable than you.
I must compliment Trump for showing how gullible people are, they repeat his fact-free fake news mantra just like cult members quoting their leaders dictums.

I am sure you prefer Guiliani as an investigator rather than the Electoral Commission

I think it just might, he derives some authority from somewhere, but I don't think it is the appropriate authority to investigate an issue in a fair and balanced manner to be brought before the courts. Surely for voter fraud it would be the FBI as an appropriate authority and not the people from the offended party?

Does treason still attract the death penalty in the US?

This could get very interesting.

Whatever the final outcome of any legal challenge to the US Election result, Trump will go
down as one of the great tantrums and hurt pride sulks in history.

Well I guess he has the right to go to court and get humiliated by the justices he himself appointed before handing over.

After that - that's what when we truly enter the unknown.

I don't think it will even get to court, not until some investigation turns up something, then goes through the states court system, then is appealed. In honesty I think it will die in the investigation phase, I've nothing backing this up before anyone asks.

I read earlier that, since the election, Trump has already received multiple offers for book deals and to do TV shows (), so maybe that will even appeal to his ego more than the Presidency. Perhaps those would also be more likely to help him pay off those huge loans.

He could probably find something if he looks hard enough. There will be the odd ballot that's cast in the name of a deceased person (nowhere near enough to change the result). It would then be a case of making a mountain of a molehill.

I’m confused . Some people are suggesting that someone, or a group of someones, did something naughty with the ballots so that Joe Biden would win.

But if they were able to do that, why didn’t they do the same naughty thing for the ballots for the Senate and for the House?

I’m still confused .

It's like formula one where teams get pissed off they didn't cheat as much as the other cheaters.

Exactly, Mitch would have been top of the transfer list.

Here's a good article that gets into the details of how a President Pelosi would come about: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...college-steal/

If a recount determines the original numbers are wrong, then results might be overturned. There's a slight chance of what's mentioned in the link above, i.e. that state legislatures would override their voters for EC electors but I don't think that will happen.

There's also the possibility that some ballots could be thrown out, but Rs should be careful about that particularly in Georgia. Throwing out a ballot doesn't just mean a vote for Biden or Trump goes away. It means every vote down the rest of the ballot goes too. Based on the gains Rs made in the House and in holding the Senate, it seems many voters opted Biden at the top of the ticket but voted R the rest of the way down.

Agree with all of this.

People often believe what they want to believe, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

At least one accusation I have seen was that a bunch of ballots were dumped that had only votes for Biden on them and nothing else. If that's true, those would be pretty easy to find.

I think I said this before, but just in case not: What people don't understand about mail-in ballots is they all have to be attributed to a registered voter. Even if someone were to try a ballot dump, they'd have to somehow doctor the county and state voting records to show that all those people requested a ballot (except in all-mail voting states). They'd have to forge a convincing matching signature on every ballot envelope. In most states they would also have to falsify a request for an absentee ballot.

I don't know for sure, but I believe every post office has video surveillance that would show a stack of ballots being dumped. Ballot drop boxes are often outside of the police station or county office, which also has video surveillance.

It's recently been announced that there's going to be a recount (by hand) in Georgia, and the guy in charge of it is a Republican. Biden is currently leading in Georgia by over 14,000 votes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/georgia...ce-11605111529

So let's say that the recount somehow "magically" transforms the Georgia count and favors Trump over Biden. Georgia is worth 16 electoral college votes. If the recount does favor Trump, Biden would still win the election, right? (I was thinking he won it because of having taken Pennsylvania anyways). When I look on the electoral map now and see it showing Biden as currently having 279 electoral votes, I guess I'm not entirely sure which states are included in that number at this point.

279 includes MI, WI, PA, NV, NE2. Does not include GA and AZ.

Don't you worry.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/

Btw, the GA Republicans in charge sounded very reasonable and transparent so far. No wonder the two "Senators" (Insider Kelly and the other guy) have called for the resignation of the guy in charge of the count.

Some do not include Arizona which is worth 11 EC.

@3Wishes

I agree with everything you posted.
Just to add a couple of things.
Firstly, I do not understand how someone can claim that a bunch of ballots was dumped that had only votes for Biden on them. If they were mail-in votes then they were in envelopes so nobody knows who they voted for.
If they were ordinary paper ballots then somebody would have had to go into a polling station and stuff them in the ballot boxes which is hard to do without anybody noticing?

The bigger challenge is how does one get their hands on genuine ballot papers? I doubt any electoral office would send a few thousand ballot blanks to a single postal address?
If you want to make your own then the challenge is the bar code. You have to create a code that complies with the secret security features, it must also include a serial number that falls within the valid number ranges but does not duplicate a genuine ballot because then two ballots with the same serial would really start the alarms going.

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All valid points, marton. I'm curious to see how many people will go under oath with their claims of fraud. How many will swear, under penalty of perjury with possible fines in the thousands and jail time, that there was fraud on such a massive scale? How many will have evidence that can be used in court as opposed to "I saw and I swear"?
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The plan for the audit and subsequent recount in Georgia sounds ripe for challenges. According to the AP:
So it depends on who creates the stacks as to who gets the votes. After the audit, if it's still a mess, then a proper machine recount can be done.