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All valid points, marton. I'm curious to see how many people will go under oath with their claims of fraud. How many will swear, under penalty of perjury with possible fines in the thousands and jail time, that there was fraud on such a massive scale? How many will have evidence that can be used in court as opposed to "I saw and I swear"?
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The plan for the audit and subsequent recount in Georgia sounds ripe for challenges. According to the AP:


So it depends on who creates the stacks as to who gets the votes. After the audit, if it's still a mess, then a proper machine recount can be done.
Each pile would have to be counted by machine 3 times. If any of those counts differed they would need to be recounted another three times, and another until the counts match.
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279 includes MI, WI, PA, NV, NE2. Does not include GA and AZ.

Don't you worry.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/

Btw, the GA Republicans in charge sounded very reasonable and transparent so far. No wonder the two "Senators" (Insider Kelly and the other guy) have called for the resignation of the guy in charge of the count.
WI is going for recount? I thought Trump had requested the recount in Wisconsin.
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Each pile would have to be counted by machine 3 times. If any of those counts differed they would need to be recounted another three times, and another until the counts match.
Sure, but the audit only counts pieces of paper fed into the machine and doesn't read what is on them. If you believe all these fraud claims about corrupt officials, an election inspector can take a stack of ballots (or other papers) claim they're for candidate X, and run them through the machine. Since it's only counting paper and not actual votes, it's fairly likely to come up the same each time.

Those eagle-eyed Republican watchers are going to have to make sure the stacks for Trump are larger than the stacks for Biden.

By the way if anyone wants to follow all the lawsuits I found a good site with a list:
https://www.scotusblog.com/election-litigation/

As of this moment there are 22 lawsuits related to this election in progress (not all initiated by Trump)

Edit - After reading several of the lawsuits, it seems that page is a bit outdated. There's still some good info on what the cases are about, and some of them have been resolved.

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WI is going for recount? I thought Trump had requested the recount in Wisconsin.
I believe he has to come up with $3 million to request a recount. And AFAIK he, and his campaign, are broke.
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Can someone fact check this guy?
Don't ask me about those awards. The importer/exporter thing would require at least clarification.

The rest is 100% correct, provided you apply the same kinds of "standards" that are applied to Trump's statements and utterings.
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I believe he has to come up with $3 million to request a recount. And AFAIK he, and his campaign, are broke.
Although the campaign has said publicly it has demanded a recount, it cannot yet legally do so - thus it's all hot air at this stage.

The state must first certify the results. That could happen next week. After that, assuming the margin is less than 1%, Trump can make the official request. As bowlie says Trump must put up the cash required before any recount begins.

Even Scott Walker (R), former governor of WI essentially said it's a waste of money. In the last recount in 2016, the results changed by about 131 votes.
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279 includes MI, WI, PA, NV, NE2. Does not include GA and AZ.

Don't you worry.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/

Btw, the GA Republicans in charge sounded very reasonable and transparent so far. No wonder the two "Senators" (Insider Kelly and the other guy) have called for the resignation of the guy in charge of the count.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution put out a scathing editorial criticizing Georgia GOP Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue for assaulting the state’s electoral system.

“That is dangerous behavior, both for this state and for this nation. Speaking on the record, Perdue and Loeffler offered no specifics. And that is what makes their campaign-speak attack message so unacceptable," it continues. "Georgians are wise enough to recognize these antics. And Perdue, Loeffler and others should know better.”

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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

I came across this article earlier...

Trump has longstanding history of calling elections 'rigged' if he doesn’t like the results
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum..._live_hero_hed
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And in any case they were sealed envelopes, who would know what the votes were inside.
Simples.

The originating area tells you the probability for a blue vote or red, discard all where the odds are against you. Gerrymandering is based on exactly this principle.
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At least one accusation I have seen was that a bunch of ballots were dumped that had only votes for Biden on them and nothing else. If that's true, those would be pretty easy to find.
How can you find what's already been destroyed? Burned, say.

This is the crazy thing about ballot harvesting. It looks like anybody can do this, where it's allowed, yet there's zero control over what happens to the ballots.

A Democrat harvester might dump the votes collected in that nearby elderly care home (I presume they're prone to vote conservative, hence tend to vote Rep) in the nearby firepit. Likewise, a Rep harvester might destroy those collected in that family planning center.
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Biden's lead in Pennsylvania now exceeds 50,000 votes according to the latest count. A margin that wide puts the race out of automatic recount territory.

A list produced by the Trump campaign purporting to detail just over 3,000 instances of alleged voter fraud in Nevada where people with out of state addresses voted in Nevada. Turns out many of them are addresses used by active-duty military members and their families who are allowed to vote in their home state. The soldiers are unhappy that their published address information labels them as illegal voters.

Biden's lead in Nevada is ca. 36,000 so Trump's list is any way irrelevant.
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The State Department won’t give President-elect Joe Biden or his transition team dozens of messages that foreign leaders have given to the department, CNN reported Wednesday.

The department typically organizes the communications with presidents-elect, but the Trump administration has refused to recognize Biden’s win and grant his team access to transition information and resources.

Sources told CNN that some foreign leaders determined the State Department will not get them in contact with Biden, prompting them to reach out to former diplomats from the Obama administration for help.
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It is an administrative problem, foreign leaders cannot look up Biden's transition team contact details in the phone book as they are not yet there, usually, they ask the local US embassy to put them in touch.
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I came across this article earlier...

Trump has longstanding history of calling elections 'rigged' if he doesn’t like the results
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum..._live_hero_hed
Because we have have a long standing tradition of rigging elections all over the world including our own?

GO READ BLACKBOX VOTING (2004)

P.S Never post a WaPo or Ny Times article if you want to be taken seriously. The Postal worker DID NOT RECANT his story. He even claimed officials tried to insert false memories during interrogation. Pure propaganda those sources.
Wapo source: Just trust me bro

https://www.projectveritas.com/

All legal ballots are water marked and block chained. More "recounts" to follow. This was not only an audit of our voting system, but a sting op as well.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/postal-wo...201000110.html


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Because we have have a long standing tradition of rigging elections all over the world including our own?

GO READ BLACKBOX VOTING (2004)

P.S Never post a WaPo or Ny Times article if you want to be taken seriously. The Postal worker DID NOT RECANT his story. He even claimed officials tried to insert false memories during interrogation. Pure propaganda those sources.
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All legal ballots are water marked and block chained. More "recounts" to follow. This was not only an audit of our voting system, but a sting op as well.

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... It looks like anybody can do this, where it's allowed, yet there's zero control over what happens to the ballots.

A Democrat harvester might dump the votes collected in that nearby elderly care home (I presume they're prone to vote conservative, hence tend to vote Rep) in the nearby firepit. Likewise, a Rep harvester might destroy those collected in that family planning center.
As mentioned before, every absentee/mail ballot is tied to a voter record. If an entire care home worth of ballots was not returned for this type of an election, it would look rather suspicious. Some states, like WI, have election officials go to the care homes for voting so that the ballots are more secure/tracked.

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It is an administrative problem, foreign leaders cannot look up Biden's transition team contact details in the phone book as they are not yet there, usually, they ask the local US embassy to put them in touch.
Also they kind of prefer more secure channels than picking up the regular telephone.

CNN (biased source but accurate quotes) has a nice compilation from 2016 when Trump and his supporters accused Ds of being sore losers.
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Aren't you the guy that was saying in a different thread that there have been 4G weapons since the 1950s? I think you've drunk a bit too much Cool Aid "Conspiracy" flavor.
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I have to say that project veritas is extremely entertaining! For example, "Project Veritas has just released a voter fraud BOMBSHELL." and the bombshell is a pretty mediocre story with 0 proof. But then again, we know that for a conspiracy theory to work, the less proof there is, the more it's credible to the sycophants

If you too want to have a few laughs:

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The Democrats are really stupid. They rig the Presidential election, but seem to have forgotten to steal the Senate elections. Losers.
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Project Veritas and their reporting has faced the scrutiny of a civil court seven times now and won Every. Single. Time. Thats more fact checked and verified than any WaPo or NYT articles in recent years. They did lose to that Covington kid.

If you still think project veritas is not legit then thats your problem. I cant help you.
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Project Veritas and their reporting has faced the scrutiny of a civil court seven times now and won Every. Single. Time.
Did you include the cases when O'Keefe was sued and decided to settle and pay? What does that tell you?
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Project Veritas and their reporting has faced the scrutiny of a civil court seven times now and won Every. Single. Time.
There were also convicted of crimes and misdemeanors, and also settled some cases out of court.
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