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At what age? What limits would you put in place?
US HofL has a minimum age of 21 but no maximum.
US House of Representatives had a minimum age of 25 but no maximum.

Calm down Tom.
I would suggest 1 term maximum for Senate and 2 terms for Congress. Term limits would help in avoiding situations where Representatives (both Senate and Congress) reap backhanders from special interest groups. It would also curb those who amass wealth trading on inside information.

Just my thoughts...
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Probably makes more sense to limit the number of terms rather than the age.

But I haven’t a clue as to how to limit these...I’m thinking 2-3 terms as senator, maybe 5-10 terms as House of Representatives. But, before you do this, there has to be sufficient infrastructure to support new people - we’ve seen what a shitshow a politically inexperienced president can create - though maybe that’s as much down to the specific person as anything. And while we’re at it, the Supreme Court needs limits too.

If term limits are imposed, then the retirement structure also needs to change. Members of Congress get very cushy retirement iirc. If you’re only going to be there 10, 20 years, then the expectation is that you’ll work afterward. And not as a lobbyist. Also Congress needs to have the same shitty health care options as the rest of the US population.
Senators are elected for 6 years. To me, 6 years are enough. 2 years for the House; I wrote earlier 2 terms but perhaps 3 is more feasible? That would align with Senators' term limits.

And while we are at it... let's overhaul the "retirement" package these people receive and, as you mentioned Ennui grant them the same "shitty" health care options we, the populace, receive.
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Senators are elected for 6 years. To me, 6 years are enough. 2 years for the House; I wrote earlier 2 terms but perhaps 3 is more feasible? That would align with Senators' term limits.

And while we are at it... let's overhaul the "retirement" package these people receive and, as you mentioned Ennui, grant them the same "shitty" health care options we, the populace, receive.
Ennui, please.

I’d give them a bit more time to develop expertise. Though you make a good point about insider trading.

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Ennui, please.

I’d give them a bit more time to develop expertise.
Sorry...my bad! Typo...
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It's recently been announced that there's going to be a recount (by hand) in Georgia, and the guy in charge of it is a Republican. Biden is currently leading in Georgia by over 14,000 votes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/georgia...ce-11605111529

So let's say that the recount somehow "magically" transforms the Georgia count and favors Trump over Biden. Georgia is worth 16 electoral college votes. If the recount does favor Trump, Biden would still win the election, right? (I was thinking he won it because of having taken Pennsylvania anyways). When I look on the electoral map now and see it showing Biden as currently having 279 electoral votes, I guess I'm not entirely sure which states are included in that number at this point.
The wife of "the guy in charge of it" has tested positive for corona so Raffensperger is now in quarantine. Life is full of surprises!
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I would suggest 1 term maximum for Senate and 2 terms for Congress. Term limits would help in avoiding situations where Representatives (both Senate and Congress) reap backhanders from special interest groups.
When one company looks at doing business with another, one of the key factors they look at is staff turnover. When a government or administration comes into office, it often takes one full term to correct whatever the previous administration has done, and a second to fully implement their own plans.

If you want a government of experienced people who fully understand the work they're entrusted with, and who have built up strong working relationships with counterparts in other nations, the absolute last thing you do is chuck them all overboard and get a bunch of newbies in. That's not how stable governments operate.

I honestly think that if it weren't for the current WH occupant having a monster strop and chucking all his toys out of the pram, you wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Before the current POTUS took office, I had many democrat and republican friends who got along famously. Most of those friendships are still intact, and they're united in their abhorrence of how the last week has played out. I even know people who solidly voted for the POTUS who wish they could change their mind now. This is not normal behaviour we're witnessing from the WH, by any stretch of the imagination.
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This President is beyond delusional.
Yup.
Daily record breaking covid cases and this is foremost in his mind...Ratings. He's beyond despicable.

'.@FoxNews
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Has Trump gone mad? Does he really think he can still turn this election?
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Has Trump gone mad? Does he really think he can still turn this election?
Of course he can win. Once the ship with 7 million republican postal votes, that sank in the Bermuda Triangle, is found, Trump will have a huge majority. I'm surprised that this is not mentioned in mainstream media
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

2 for senate, 8 for house.

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I’m thinking 2-3 terms as senator, maybe 5-10 terms as House of Representatives.
So we are on the same page, then.

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This is my current favorite political dude. John Fetterman. Lt Gov of PA.

Totally genuine, articulate, pragmatic and just a decent human. I’m naturally biased though, as I grew up in a small town almost next to Braddock (suburb of Pittsburgh, PA) where he resides. As mayor of Braddock, he didn’t solve all the problems, but he’s really engaged people.

His wife is also very cool. Spent several years as undocumented, but via the dreamer act became a citizen, and she helps so many.

Anyway, here’s an interview in Rolling Stone
https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ocrat-1089672/

There’s also a hilarious Twitter post referring to voter fraud.

https://twitter.com/johnfetterman/st...182419969?s=21
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Old 13.11.2020, 10:23
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When one company looks at doing business with another, one of the key factors they look at is staff turnover. When a government or administration comes into office, it often takes one full term to correct whatever the previous administration has done, and a second to fully implement their own plans.

If you want a government of experienced people who fully understand the work they're entrusted with, and who have built up strong working relationships with counterparts in other nations, the absolute last thing you do is chuck them all overboard and get a bunch of newbies in. That's not how stable governments operate.

I honestly think that if it weren't for the current WH occupant having a monster strop and chucking all his toys out of the pram, you wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Before the current POTUS took office, I had many democrat and republican friends who got along famously. Most of those friendships are still intact, and they're united in their abhorrence of how the last week has played out. I even know people who solidly voted for the POTUS who wish they could change their mind now. This is not normal behaviour we're witnessing from the WH, by any stretch of the imagination.
Actually, people have been talking about term limits and career politicians for quite a while. A lot of this stuff - racism, anti science, corporate ownership of politicians, hypocritical morality, nationalism has been simmering for a while, but Trump brought it into sharp focus.

Polarization between the two parties has also been building - McConnell’s stagnation started during Obama, and I think the US has been on this road for a while.
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If you want a government of experienced people who fully understand the work they're entrusted with, and who have built up strong working relationships with counterparts in other nations, the absolute last thing you do is chuck them all overboard and get a bunch of newbies in. That's not how stable governments operate.
There's a difference between political posts and expert staff. A new administration will naturally and logically have, just for example, a new Defense Secretary, but that doesn't mean there will be an overhaul of the United States Department of Defense. Same goes for all the other executive branches. You need the Head to be driving the policy consistent with what the elected President has promised and was elected for and you need the experts to make it happen. If you suggest no changes to the Heads of the executive branches, well, then this is exactly what the Deep State conspiracy theory is - irrelevant of whose elected, the deep state has it's own agenda and drives it across
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2 for senate, 8 for house.



So we are on the same page, then.

Tom
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Term limits are simply pointless. What you want to do is to reform the Election Campaign Act or replace it with something similar to European regulation. This is how you get away from two-party tyranny in US.
Term limits will do nothing to lobbying or corruption, they would just steal faster.
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Fox News told their viewers the election was not full of illegal votes and then
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The question is does Fox News need Trump or Trump needs Fox news?
After Trump is replaced he will not be of much interest anymore.
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Term limits are simply pointless. What you want to do is to reform the Election Campaign Act or replace it with something similar to European regulation. This is how you get away from two-party tyranny in US.
Term limits will do nothing to lobbying or corruption, they would just steal faster.
Actually I find term limits to be an affront to democracy since they restrict the voters right to choose who they wish to represent them. I don’t believe that restricting the voters rights is an acceptable solution to solving corruption - it’s just a cop out, we’ll just let them be corrupt for a certain number of years.
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Actually I find term limits to be an affront to democracy since they restrict the voters right to choose who they wish to represent them. I don’t believe that restricting the voters rights is an acceptable solution to solving corruption - it’s just a cop out, we’ll just let them be corrupt for a certain number of years.
So presidents shouldn't have term limits either and if they are repeatedly voted in they your preference is that they stay in till they die?
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So presidents shouldn't have term limits either and if they are repeatedly voted in they your preference is that they stay in till they die?
That would be my preference.
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