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That would be my preference.
Not just yours. I hear more than one have been helped across that final border by some friendly enablers.
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One of the best things about Trump losing the election is that now, soon, we will be able to ignore him.

Maybe we should all treat him the same way he's treated the pandemic... If we all just ignore him, he will just go away... like a miracle.
No, there doesn’t seem to be any respect for the decision of the majority of the people. Don’t think he’ll leave at all.

The country needs unity, not adversity. 😔
I long for the former values and decent respect.
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Old 15.11.2020, 17:50
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No, there doesn’t seem to be any respect for the decision of the majority of the people. Don’t think he’ll leave at all.

The country needs unity, not adversity. ��
I long for the former values and decent respect.
I know... Same here.

Do you really think that the majority of Americans believe that the election was rigged, though? Obviously, some do, but I'm not sure it's the majority.

I also don't think that Trump will quiet down enough to be easily ignored, once he is no longer in office (after all, he craves constant attention and validation). But at least it might be easier to ignore him then. And hopefully most media outlets will begin to do the same. Giving him attention is really just like "feeding the monster" in many ways. Ideally, he will end up in a jail cell without being allowed any access to his Twitter account, which he uses as a manipulation device.

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Not really. It's ordinary bigoted US party politics, the all-too normal daily shitshow.

Last time around Dems were perfectly fine with challenging results and demanding recounts, and Reps dead set against them of course.
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Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Friday apologized to viewers after a local Georgia news outlet pointed out that he had made a false claim about a dead individual illegally voting in the state.

On a Thursday evening segment of “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” the host claimed that someone had cast a ballot on behalf of James Blalock of Covington, Ga., who died in 2006.

However, Newton County officials said in a statement Thursday that Blalock did not vote and that the record found by the Trump campaign referred to a vote cast by Blalock’s widow, registered under his name as "Mrs. James E. Blalock, Jr."
People would be surprised how many voters are registered in such a way or whose records have incomplete information. When states implemented HAVA, they had to convert existing local and county databases into statewide ones. Many records date back decades, before things like date of birth or driver's license were required to register. Many women registered as Mrs. Hisname. All perfectly legal at the time the person registered. States could ask for, but not require, voters to update old or missing info.
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I can only imagine the depths of the frustration you must be going through, now that Biden has won and the platform for trolls such as yourself to suck the attention in political threads will soon be removed. I wonder what you will try and focus on next when this thread is done with?
On the other hand the cartoon is funny...

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I also don't think that Trump will quiet down enough to be easily ignored, once he is no longer in office (after all, he craves constant attention and validation). But at least it might be easier to ignore him then. And hopefully most media outlets will begin to do the same. Giving him attention is really just like "feeding the monster" in many ways. Ideally, he will end up in a jail cell without being allowed any access to his Twitter account, which he uses as a manipulation device.
He'll candidate again in 4 years so he won't quiet down? Just kidding.

But really, he's not the type (I mean the reasonable type) to quiet down. He'll probably continue with the mocking of Biden et.co just for the lolz. On his favourite platform....of course.
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He'll candidate again in 4 years so he won't quiet down? Just kidding.

But really, he's not the type (I mean the reasonable type) to quiet down. He'll probably continue with the mocking of Biden et.co just for the lolz. On his favourite platform....of course.
Yeah, he's clearly addicted to attention and validation, and of course Twitter is the perfect place for him to find it. I bet he would still hold rallies if he could.

I was watching an interview yesterday, where a woman said the following about Trump, which I thought phrased it so perfectly: "He always has to be the hero of his own story."
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He'll candidate again in 4 years so he won't quiet down? Just kidding.

But really, he's not the type (I mean the reasonable type) to quiet down. He'll probably continue with the mocking of Biden et.co just for the lolz. On his favourite platform....of course.
What if we make him believe that he has won? He could be a president for another four years in a Truman Show-style. We would still have the entertainment part but he wouldn't be able to do any harm. A kind of win-win situation.
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What if we make him believe that he has won? He could be a president for another four years in a Truman Show-style. We would still have the entertainment part but he wouldn't be able to do any harm. A kind of win-win situation.
Creative post And sadly, reality rears its ugly head! Trump isn't done yet; I doubt he will ever concede.

And the US remains polarized...

I think Trump wants to put Biden in the same situation he found himself embroiled in when he first took office re: "Russian Interference". Note, not a lot came out of that investigation despite the millions of tax payer dollars spent.

In essence, Trump is trying to delegitimatize the Biden administration with claims of a stolen election- a "quid pro quo" so to speak. We shall see how things develop...

To me, much hinges on the Georgia Senate run off election...
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I can only imagine the depths of the frustration you must be going through, now that Biden has won and the platform for trolls such as yourself to suck the attention in political threads will soon be removed. I wonder what you will try and focus on next when this thread is done with?
The only frustration I see is coming from you and it is clearly triggered by a cartoon.
Triggered by a cartoon, hmm, which group of people do you remind me?
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This was published in the Washington post recently.
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If we talked about the election in the United States the same way we talk about elections in a foreign country, here’s how Western media would cover it. Many of those quoted in the “story” below are fictional.

The United States, the former British colony already rocked this year by ethnic conflict and mass protests over extrajudicial killings by police, may finally have a new leader after weeks of political turmoil following a disputed presidential election.

In the midst of the divisive election, the United States, known for its Dunkin’ Donuts-powered economy and for exporting its own brand of democracy, has been devastated by the covid-19 pandemic, which the beleaguered regime of Donald Trump has been unable to control, causing more than 240,000 Americans to die.

Ahead of the election — which triggered accusations of fraud and exposed the country’s dysfunctional electoral system — experts had warned that the United States, whose population is awash with guns, was at risk for political violence. But there’s been a tense calm as official results confirm that opposition challenger Joe Biden won; Trump, however, is refusing to leave power, and there are fears that the fractured nation might be pushed over the edge, destabilizing the Western Hemisphere.

Trump, the populist right-wing leader of the Republicans, has repeatedly cast doubt on the voting process, especially mail-in ballots. As mailed votes were counted and Trump lost his early lead, he demanded to “Stop the count!” Now, instead of beginning a peaceful transition process, Trump has hunkered down in the presidential palace.

The international community is watching with great concern. Leading observers wonder whether the United States is in the grips of an anti-constitutional seizure of power. “It’s not actually a coup unless it comes from the coup d’etat region of France,“ said writer Rémy Anne on Twitter. “Otherwise it’s just a sparkling authoritarian takeover.“

“In America, there is a term called ‘polarization’ that they like to use to describe the political situation,” said Andrew Darcy Morthington, a U.K.-based commentator and expert on U.S. affairs. His last trip to the country was in 1997, for a three-day panel conference in Washington. “What I can say for sure is that I have been witnessing an American regression into entrenched political tribalism.”

In Britain, which still maintains a keen interest in the politics of its former colony, there are signs that some members of the monarchy may be looking to influence the affairs of the troubled Western nation. The Duchess of Sussex, Meghan Markle, voted in the U.S. election and has been an outspoken critic of Trump. There have been rumors that Markle is considering a future presidential run herself.

A number of Americans and British citizens believe that the country was perhaps never ready to manage its affairs independently, but American politicians are resisting the prospect of renewed British influence. Rep. Jason T. Smith of Missouri sent a heated letter to the British government blasting the duchess and her husband, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, saying that their statements urging Americans to vote and “reject hate speech, misinformation and online negativity” were an “inappropriate act of domestic interference.”

International intrigue aside, the elevation of Kamala D. Harris as vice president raised some small hopes for gender and racial progress. Born to an Indian mother and a Jamaican father, Harris will be the first woman, Black person and South Asian to occupy that office.

“From Indira Gandhi to Pratibha Patil, India has had women in the highest offices of our country, so we are glad to see America finally trying to catch up to more politically advanced nations,” the Hyderabad-based political expert Sarojini Desai said. “To top it all off, a half-desi woman is a part of that change. Indian kids now know that their parents will tell them to work harder, that it’s not enough to just be a doctor or a lawyer, that they can now aim to be vice president. This is a bittersweet moment for desi children in America.”

Britain has also had a female prime minister before, but it has taken decades for its geopolitical protege of a nation to catch up. “We wonder why America has not adopted the values of gender progress and anti-racism like we have here in the U.K.,” Morthington remarked. Meanwhile, channeling Winston Churchill, U.K. politician Lord Kilclooney asked, “What happens if Biden moves on and the Indian becomes President? Who then becomes Vice President?” After social media backlash, Kilclooney retreated, tweeting, “This tweet is cancelled.”

Some have said Trump’s bombastic authoritarianism and disregard for science makes him America’s first African president. “If this were happening in Africa, the West would have been threatening aid cuts and sanctions to Trump and his officials,” said Joseph G. Rawlings, a Ghanaian political scientist. “But in Africa we do not have an out-of-control pandemic, unlike America. From where I stand, comparing Trump to Africans is an insult — to Africans.”

Republican loyalists, meanwhile, continue to stand by their leader, afraid that Trump will be mean to them on Twitter and make them unpopular.

Some strongmen rule with an iron fist, others with insulting tweets.
Poignant
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Putting aside just for a moment Trump’s personal qualities, would you think that his claims of the election fraud could be valid in any way? Trump claims that there was a lot of very alarming incidents of fraud, and he is ready to demonstrate this in courts. This is how the democratic system should be working, isn’t it? From what I have read, Trump didn’t concede yet because he believes that massive fraud had happened and he is ready to prove this. I am not saying his claims are true, we cannot know if this is true or not until his side is heard. I believe that people should be alarmed about these claims and take them very seriously. There are many countries where the elections are being used as a political show to support corrupt rulers. Trump or no Trump, the integrity of the election process is very important and should be confirmed.
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Putting aside just for a moment Trump’s personal qualities, would you think that his claims of the election fraud could be valid in any way? Trump claims that there was a lot of very alarming incidents of fraud, and he is ready to demonstrate this in courts. This is how the democratic system should be working, isn’t it? From what I have read, Trump didn’t concede yet because he believes that massive fraud had happened and he is ready to prove this. I am not saying this is true, we cannot know if this is true or not until his side is heard. I believe that people should be alarmed about these claims and take them very seriously. There are many countries where the elections are being used as a political show to support corrupt rulers. Trump or no Trump, the integrity of the election process is very important and should be confirmed.
I don't believe there will have been any electoral fraud done on a scale to have influenced the final result. I also think the President's claims should be heard in court and not blithely dismissed.
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I don't believe there will have been any electoral fraud done on a scale to have influenced the final result. I also think the President's claims should be heard in court and not blithely dismissed.
They are being blithely dismissed in court.
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They are being blithely dismissed in court.
Which is the correct place to do so!
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Putting aside just for a moment Trump’s personal qualities, would you think that his claims of the election fraud could be valid in any way? Trump claims that there was a lot of very alarming incidents of fraud, and he is ready to demonstrate this in courts. This is how the democratic system should be working, isn’t it? From what I have read, Trump didn’t concede yet because he believes that massive fraud had happened and he is ready to prove this. I am not saying his claims are true, we cannot know if this is true or not until his side is heard. I believe that people should be alarmed about these claims and take them very seriously. There are many countries where the elections are being used as a political show to support corrupt rulers. Trump or no Trump, the integrity of the election process is very important and should be confirmed.
If he has evidence he needs to provide it. No doubt there has been some fraud, with almost 150 million votes this is inevitable. But nothing has been seen, or even suggested, that would change the results. In fact voter suppression and gerrymandering in many states has likely tainted the results in Republicans favour in much larger numbers than any fraud favouring the Democrats.

And the billion dollar question. “Why didn’t this alleged fraud favour the Democrats in the Senate and House?”
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If he has evidence he needs to provide it. No doubt there has been some fraud, with almost 150 million votes this is inevitable. But nothing has been seen, or even suggested, that would change the results. In fact voter suppression and gerrymandering in many states has likely tainted the results in Republicans favour in much larger numbers than any fraud favouring the Democrats.

And the billion dollar question. “Why didn’t this alleged fraud favour the Democrats in the Senate and House?”
Of course he need to provide evidence, this is why he wants to go to court. If he doesn’t go to court, then his claims will be empty.

“Why didn’t this alleged fraud favour the Democrats in the Senate and House?” - I don’t know, possibly Trumps evidence (if any) could answer this.
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If he has evidence he needs to provide it. No doubt there has been some fraud, with almost 150 million votes this is inevitable. But nothing has been seen, or even suggested, that would change the results. In fact voter suppression and gerrymandering in many states has likely tainted the results in Republicans favour in much larger numbers than any fraud favouring the Democrats.

And the billion dollar question. “Why didn’t this alleged fraud favour the Democrats in the Senate and House?”
The split ticket doesn't have to have been filled out in full. In fact, if wanting to fill out multiple ballots, it would be quicker just to cross one name than fill out the entire ballot paper.

Easily conceivable however unlikely in reality.
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