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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Elon Musk for president 2024.
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I very well understand that people dislike everything Trump stands for but if people comparing him (or actually almost anybody) to Stalin or Hitler, should be ashamed and need a reality check. It's an insult to all those WW II, Holocaust and Gulag victims.
spot on, plus Dubya killed way more people than Trump
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spot on, plus Dubya killed way more people than Trump
I am not sure if he was a better orator, either. Covfefe Junior.
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I very well understand that people dislike everything Trump stands for but if people comparing him (or actually almost anybody) to Stalin or Hitler, should be ashamed and need a reality check. It's an insult to all those WW II, Holocaust and Gulag victims.
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spot on, plus Dubya killed way more people than Trump
Both virtue signalling and ignoring the COVID-19 deaths, the latest forecasts on the upside of 400,000.
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Elon Musk for president 2024.
Because he has a positive COVID-19 test.
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Faithless electors ? Wow - I had no idea. Democracy- scary.
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Old 18.11.2020, 18:10
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Trump has decided to forgo his normal Thanksgiving trip to his Mar-a-Lago, Florida, resort, administration officials told CNN, and he has had no public engagements for days.

Probably afraid they will change the White House door locks
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Both virtue signalling and ignoring the COVID-19 deaths, the latest forecasts on the upside of 400,000.
thanks, please explain "the virtue signalling" bit. Bush chose to bomb Iraq, a clear aggressive position. Trump may have screwed up on CD19 but it is not entirely his fault, others are also to blame.
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thanks, please explain "the virtue signalling" bit. Bush chose to bomb Iraq, a clear aggressive position. Trump may have screwed up on CD19 but it is not entirely his fault, others are also to blame.
This will be the same Trump who keeps blaming Obama and Biden for the 12,000 Swine flu deaths; you know the expression "what goes around comes around"?
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Despite the pandemic and President Trump largely disappearing from public events in the wake of this month’s election, the turkey pardon will go on.

The annual Thanksgiving event at the White House is poised to take place next week,
It is rumoured that Donny will pardon himself at the same event.

One can never have too many turkeys
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Old 18.11.2020, 19:35
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Trump may have screwed up on CD19 but it is not entirely his fault, others are also to blame.
I don't think Trump is to blame for the pandemic in the US, but he is accountable for the ways he has handled it. e.g. Telling people that the virus is "no big deal," refusing to encourage people to wear masks, pressuring governors to end their restrictions and encouraging people to protest against restrictions, etc.

Last Winter, Trump was provided with a very lengthy, detailed document assembled by the WHO, warning countries and their governments about the virus and a possible pandemic. Trump chose to ignore it. There is no one else to blame for his decisions and their consequences. He wants to be perceived as a strong leader with authority and yet he consistently refuses to take any accountability for his own behavior or actions.
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(...) Trump may have screwed up on CD19 but it is not entirely his fault, others are also to blame.
Seriously?

When a company is in dire straits due to poor mismanagement, the boss is held responsible. Nobody says.... it’s not entirely his fault, others are to blame yada yada.

It goes with the job.
If you’re running a country, you owe it to the people to make the right decisions to protect them, and you take responsability.
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Old 18.11.2020, 19:59
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He will fundraise for it, just like's he's done for his frivolous lawsuits.
Tightwad Trump will not spend the $8 million.
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President Trump’s campaign said Wednesday it intends to file a petition for a recount in two Wisconsin counties, Milwaukee and Dane, amid a broader effort to challenge the results of the election.

The campaign said it transferred $3 million to Wisconsin in order to cover the estimated cost of the recounts, an amount that, while large, is significantly smaller than the $8 million that it would cost to conduct a recount of votes across the entire state.
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In Milwaukee County, Biden beat Trump 317,270 votes to 134,357, according to the final canvass. The county canvass added 19 votes for Biden and 2 for Trump compared to the unofficial results.

In Dane County, Biden beat Trump 260,185 to 78,800. The county canvass added 28 votes for Biden and 11 vote Trump.

The canvass is the official tally of votes for any given election. The purpose of the canvass is to account for every ballot cast and ensure that every valid vote cast is included in the election totals.

Current count of Trump's election court cases shows he has lost 25; the one case he won (to move observers closer to the action) has been overturned by a superior court.

Donny is slowly fading into the sunset.
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You won't get much love with that view. Taking a nuanced position in a polarised debate won't win you any friends here!

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Seriously?

When a company is in dire straits due to poor mismanagement, the boss is held responsible. Nobody says.... it’s not entirely his fault, others are to blame yada yada.

It goes with the job.
If you’re running a country, you owe it to the people to make the right decisions to protect them, and you take responsability.
President Trump has paid the price for Covid, looking forward to all the leaders from the rest of the developed world doing the same
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Is he looking to have all the votes in those two counties thrown out? That would be the only way to secure the 10 electoral collage votes. But still that isn’t enough to win the election.

What is he playing at?
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Is he looking to have all the votes in those two counties thrown out? That would be the only way to secure the 10 electoral collage votes. But still that isn’t enough to win the election.

What is he playing at?
I think Donny is angling to play the illegitimacy game. It's the same one that Hilary played when Donny won the election. In 2016, it was "Russian" interference which enabled Donny's win (according to the Dems and Hilary). (Note: how much taxpayer money was spent on that investigation? And yet, very little came of that investigation )

This time, the tables are turned. Now Donny claims that elections were "rigged" by the Dems. To me it is a "quid pro quo" tactic and he/Donny will try and destabilize Biden as much as he can before Biden takes office on January 20th.

This is why we desperately need a 3rd party in the US in my view...
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Old 18.11.2020, 21:24
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Is he looking to have all the votes in those two counties thrown out? That would be the only way to secure the 10 electoral collage votes. But still that isn’t enough to win the election.

What is he playing at?
The earlier lawsuit tried to exclude all votes from Dane, Milwaukee, and Menominee counties in the final state certification. The plaintiffs voluntarily withdrew that complaint without giving a reason.

Some pundits have said these tactics in WI, PA and MI are trying the long-shot of making sure the state certification is delayed past Dec. 8 and that Electoral College votes are not allocated or end up allocated differently because massive numbers of ballots are excluded.

edit - and what terrifisch says above about the illegitimacy game.
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Old 18.11.2020, 21:40
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I think Donny is angling to play the illegitimacy game. It's the same one that Hilary played when Donny won the election. In 2016, it was "Russian" interference which enabled Donny's win (according to the Dems and Hilary). (Note: how much taxpayer money was spent on that investigation? And yet, very little came of that investigation )

This time, the tables are turned. Now Donny claims that elections were "rigged" by the Dems. To me it is a "quid pro quo" tactic and he/Donny will try and destabilize Biden as much as he can before Biden takes office on January 20th.

This is why we desperately need a 3rd party in the US in my view...
You are conflating two entirely different topics.
Firstly the US intelligence agencies all stated their conclusion that there was significant Russian interference in the 2016 election; they never claimed that it enabled Donny's win.
Secondly, there was an investigation into the claims that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians.

I am not saying the Dems did not try to invalidate Trump's win but Hilary conceded on Nov 10th; today is the 18th - where is Trump's acceptance?
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You are conflating two entirely different topics.
Firstly the US intelligence agencies all stated their conclusion that there was significant Russian interference in the 2016 election; they never claimed that it enabled Donny's win.
Secondly, there was an investigation into the claims that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians.

I am not saying the Dems did not try to invalidate Trump's win but Hilary conceded on Nov 10th; today is the 18th - where is Trump's acceptance?
Hmmm... Russian interference was implied; otherwise, why launch a 3+ year investigation? Put it this way, if Hillary had won as expected, would there have been a "Russian interference" investigation? I think not...

Donny is just Donny, in the sandbox fighting over a shovel... He cannot help himself! And he will try and make Joe pay/suffer because he feels that he has suffered and Joe should too. I could be wrong here but that is my take
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Hmmm... Russian interference was implied; otherwise, why launch a 3+ year investigation? Put it this way, if Hillary had won as expected, would there have been a "Russian interference" investigation? I think not...

Donny is just Donny, in the sandbox fighting over a shovel... He cannot help himself! And he will try and make Joe pay/suffer because he feels that he has suffered and Joe should too. I could be wrong here but that is my take
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There was not a Russian interference investigation, there was a Russian collusion investigation.

The collusion investigation did, according to the Mueller report, find that the Russian government "interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion" and "violated U.S. criminal law".
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