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Old 19.11.2020, 19:49
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Trump hit yet another wall in his attempts to reverse the results of the election on Thursday as his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani announced the withdrawal of a Michigan lawsuit.

“This morning we are withdrawing our lawsuit in Michigan as a direct result of achieving the relief we sought: to stop the election in Wayne County from being prematurely certified
Good that yet another useless timewasting lawsuit was withdrawn.
It is not clear what Guiliani meant by stopping premature certification, the election was certified yesterday as planned.
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Premature Certification? The mind boggles ...
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Premature Certification? The mind boggles ...
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Rudi suffered from premature certification... seems he also has trouble maintaining an eection.
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It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Rudi suffered from premature certification... seems he also has trouble maintaining an eection.
Isn’t it Trump that is having a problem with his election?
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Good that yet another useless timewasting lawsuit was withdrawn.
It is not clear what Guiliani meant by stopping premature certification, the election was certified yesterday as planned.
You forgot to include that those two Republicans who eventually ceded were threatened and signed sworn statements to say that they felt coerced/threatened and believed their families were in jeopardy if they did not sign.

To me, that is noteworthy.
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And so... let's ask the "burning" question...

If one really feels they won "legitimately" then why run and cry foul from a recount?

After all, a recount would legitimize their victory...or perhaps not?

To quote Shakespeare, "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"...

I should add here that I don't like Donny or Biden but as a neutral observer, I think this question is warranted...
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Old 19.11.2020, 23:23
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You forgot to include that those two Republicans who eventually ceded were threatened and signed sworn statements to say that they felt coerced/threatened and believed their families were in jeopardy if they did not sign.

To me, that is noteworthy.
Are you referring to GOP members on the Board of State Canvassers in Michigan being pressured by Republicans to refuse certification?

"LANSING — After losing in Wayne County, Republican activists are mounting a last-ditch effort to prop up President Donald Trump by urging GOP members on the Board of State Canvassers to refuse certification of the Michigan vote."

Michigan GOP canvassers under pressure to ignore votes, help Trump
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-go...tes-help-trump
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Are you referring to GOP members on the Board of State Canvassers in Michigan being pressured by Republicans to refuse certification?

"LANSING — After losing in Wayne County, Republican activists are mounting a last-ditch effort to prop up President Donald Trump by urging GOP members on the Board of State Canvassers to refuse certification of the Michigan vote."

Michigan GOP canvassers under pressure to ignore votes, help Trump
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-go...tes-help-trump
Not sure of your link but here is another one you should read:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/michi...ats-harassment

And another link:

https://www.lacortenews.com/n/republ...ere-threatened

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Not sure of your link but here is another one you should read:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/michi...ats-harassment

And another link:

https://www.lacortenews.com/n/republ...ere-threatened
Usual links to right wing nut jobs I see.

How about you provide some actual evidence that the vote was rigged rather than a couple of Trump supporters wetting their pants because they disobeyed Trump and certified a fair election?

Perhaps a little more balanced view in their local press

https://eu.freep.com/story/news/loca...nn/3770140001/
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And so... let's ask the "burning" question...

If one really feels they won "legitimately" then why run and cry foul from a recount?

After all, a recount would legitimize their victory...or perhaps not?

To quote Shakespeare, "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"...

I should add here that I don't like Donny or Biden but as a neutral observer, I think this question is warranted...
There is a legal procedure for recounts in Michigan and Trump had the possibility to follow it. He choose not to. Why on earth should Biden request one?

Historically Michigan recounts have made no difference to the final result

And yet again...neutral? After perhaps 500 anti-Biden posts and zero anti-Trump posts you're about as neutral as Steve Bannon. I look forward to the red rep.
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Old 20.11.2020, 00:09
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

terrifisch is "tim pool neutral". i.e not al all
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Old 20.11.2020, 01:23
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And so... let's ask the "burning" question...

If one really feels they won "legitimately" then why run and cry foul from a recount?

After all, a recount would legitimize their victory...or perhaps not?

To quote Shakespeare, "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"...

I should add here that I don't like Donny or Biden but as a neutral observer, I think this question is warranted...
Can you be a bit more specific, who, when, where?
If you are still talking about Michigan then Biden won by ca. 150,000 votes so a recount would be a waste of everybody's time and money.

Another Trump loss
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A judge on Thursday rejected a Republican Party lawsuit seeking an audit of ballots in Arizona's biggest county, which helped flip the state blue for the first time in more than 20 years.

Maricopa County Superior Court Judge John Hannah dismissed the lawsuit with prejudice
A case dismissed with prejudice is over and done with, once and for all, and can't be brought back to court.

Nationally, Biden is only 30,000 votes short of a 6 million lead.
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Old 20.11.2020, 09:40
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Sorry, I guess people like myself who are from the US should refer to ourselves as "Unites States of Americans?"

Or how about U.S.ians?

How exactly should we refer to ourselves so that we don't inadvertently piss off people from other parts of the Americas?
I find "From the US" works.
I know there are other United States around the place, but it's not claiming a continent to yourself.

On the other end of things, I'd say I'm Irish, which often leads to the question of Republic or Northern Ireland. Basic response "tis all Ireland".
I am European, but I'm Irish first.
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Old 20.11.2020, 09:52
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Sorry, I guess people like myself who are from the US should refer to ourselves as "Unites States of Americans?"

Or how about U.S.ians?

How exactly should we refer to ourselves so that we don't inadvertently piss off people from other parts of the Americas?
Personally, I refer to myself as Swiss.

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How exactly should we refer to ourselves so that we don't inadvertently piss off people from other parts of the Americas?
I guess that if someone from any other country in the Americas feels "offended" that people from the US refer to themselves as "Americans" they can refer to Stephen Fry's quote:

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Now, I am from a country in South America, and we call you "North Americans", which doesn't really help all that much, as you sort of fall in the same bag as Mexicans and Canadians.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Georgia for Biden - 306 now


how can this be disputed?
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Old 20.11.2020, 10:15
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ZeroHedge just reported something that made me remember your comparison 😀:

A recount monitor in Georgia discovered a 9,626-vote error in the hand recount in DeKalb County, according to the chairman of the Georgia Republican Party.

One of our monitors discovered a 9,626-vote error in the DeKalb County hand count. One batch was labeled 10,707 for Biden and 13 for Trump—an improbable margin even by DeKalb standards. The actual count for the batch was 1,081 for Biden and 13 for Trump,” David Shafer wrote on Twitter on Nov. 18.

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Biden’s margin of victory in this batch of votes (99.9%) bested Bashar al-Assad’s 2007 margin (97.6%) and Raul Castro’s 2008 margin (99.4%). It matched Kim Jong-il’s 2009 margin (99.9%).

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...g-hand-recount
alt-right #Fakenews

Hand count completed in Georgia showing Biden wins.
So disproving the conspiracy theory that the machines were tampered with and demonstrating this claim of a 9,626-vote error was an alt-right invention.
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Georgia for Biden - 306 now


how can this be disputed?
Well, Trump says that without the signature matching this recount is meaningless. Does he have a point?
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I can forsee an assasination atempt on Biden given the number of crazies in USA
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This is the more worrying suggestion.

"One possibility that US media are speculating on is that he will try to get Republican-friendly state legislatures in key states to override the choice of voters and instead select members of the US Electoral College who would be favourable to the president.

Mr Trump has invited Michigan's Republican lawmakers to the White House on Friday, hinting at a possible change in tactics.

Instead of winning by direct popular vote, a US president must accumulate a majority of "electors" that each state is designated according to its congressional representation.

Most states determine these based on who won the popular vote there.

But federal law says statehouse legislators have the power to pick electors if the state has "failed to make a choice".

This would appear a long shot as no evidence of electoral fraud has been shown and to potentially disenfranchise millions of voters would spark uproar.

Reuters news agency quoted one source familiar with the Trump strategy as saying it was now a "more targeted approach towards getting the legislators engaged".

But one of the Michigan lawmakers going to the White House, Mike Shirkey, said earlier this week that the legislature appointing electors was "not going to happen"."

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55006188
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