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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

What can it mean that Guiliani was sweating so much and that blood came out of his ears in his press conference yesterday?
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This is the more worrying suggestion.

"One possibility that US media are speculating on is that he will try to get Republican-friendly state legislatures in key states to override the choice of voters and instead select members of the US Electoral College who would be favourable to the president.

Mr Trump has invited Michigan's Republican lawmakers to the White House on Friday, hinting at a possible change in tactics.

Instead of winning by direct popular vote, a US president must accumulate a majority of "electors" that each state is designated according to its congressional representation.

Most states determine these based on who won the popular vote there.

But federal law says statehouse legislators have the power to pick electors if the state has "failed to make a choice".

This would appear a long shot as no evidence of electoral fraud has been shown and to potentially disenfranchise millions of voters would spark uproar.

Reuters news agency quoted one source familiar with the Trump strategy as saying it was now a "more targeted approach towards getting the legislators engaged".

But one of the Michigan lawmakers going to the White House, Mike Shirkey, said earlier this week that the legislature appointing electors was "not going to happen"."

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55006188

Not gonna happen. All states have laws on this, and usually these laws state that electors have to represent the popular vote. Plus changes to these laws would have to be signed by the governors. The rust-belt states that flipped have Democratic governors.
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What can it mean that Guiliani was sweating so much and that blood came out of his ears in his press conference yesterday?
It's quite obvious to those of us in the know that the lizard person known as Guiliani did not have adequate time to prepare his human suit.
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Not gonna happen. All states have laws on this, and usually these laws state that electors have to represent the popular vote. Plus changes to these laws would have to be signed by the governors. The rust-belt states that flipped have Democratic governors.
I don't think that all states have these laws, only about half. And in most of those that do, the penalty for faithless voting in the Electoral College is just a fine -- and I'm sure the GOP would see those fines as a very worthwhile investment.

But if there were widespread, cynical faithless voting, I think something close to civil war would break out.

ETA: 33 states, plus DC, have laws against faithless voting. So, about two thirds.
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Well, Trump says that without the signature matching this recount is meaningless. Does he have a point?
Probably for the thirty-two states that require election workers to match a voter's signature on ballot return documents with the signature on record for that voter. If Trump can prove there was no signature matching; so far he and his legal teams have made fact-free allegations without any supporting evidence.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has issued a unanimous ruling declaring that mail-in ballots cannot be rejected on the basis of signature comparison.

State judge in Pennsylvania and a federal judge in Georgia rejected election-related lawsuits Thursday from Republicans and the Trump campaign.

In Pennsylvania, a state judge ordered the counting of more than absentee 2,000 ballots in Bucks County the Trump campaign wanted to exclude.
"It must be noted that the parties specifically stipulated in their comprehensive stipulation of facts that there exists no evidence of any fraud, misconduct, or any impropriety with respect to the challenged ballots. There is nothing in the record and nothing alleged that would lead to the conclusion that any of the challenged ballots were submitted by someone not qualified or entitled to vote in this election," he wrote. "At no time did Petitioners present evidence or argument to the contrary."

A federal judge in Georgia rejected an election lawsuit brought by a Republican elector, Lin Wood, who had alleged in court constitutional violations, perceived fraud in the presidential election and sought to block the certification of election results.
"There's no doubt an individual's right to vote is sacrosanct," Judge Steven Grimberg in the Northern District of Georgia said Thursday evening. But, that "does not mean individual voters have the right to dictate" how votes are cast or decided to be counted.
"It's not for the courts to meddle with" processes set by the states, he added.
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What can it mean that Guiliani was sweating so much and that blood came out of his ears in his press conference yesterday?
You mean Giuliani's leaking?


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What can it mean that Guiliani was sweating so much and that blood came out of his ears in his press conference yesterday?
Hair dye. Dude needs a better stylist.
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You mean Giuliani's leaking?


The leaking is not even the worst thing. You see a confused old man, mumbling and shuffling with some papers. It looked more like a parody than something serious.

That said, would he run for president in 2024?
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I don't think that all states have these laws, only about half. And in most of those that do, the penalty for faithless voting in the Electoral College is just a fine -- and I'm sure the GOP would see those fines as a very worthwhile investment.

But if there were widespread, cynical faithless voting, I think something close to civil war would break out.

ETA: 33 states, plus DC, have laws against faithless voting. So, about two thirds.
MI, WI, and PA have Democratic governors though.
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how come nobody posted this before??

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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

So Trump is basically making accusations of election fraud while simultaneously trying to rig the election by interfering with the results and generating election fraud.

How Republicans Are Selling the Myth of Rampant Voter Fraud
https://time.com/5902728/voter-fraud-2020-2/

Trump invites Michigan GOP leaders to White House amid effort to challenge election results
https://www.newsnationnow.com/politi...ction-results/

This is really just another example of the way Trump manipulates to get what he wants and the way he psychologically projects. It's also another example of the way he abuses his power -- now abusing his role as President to pressure the GOP into backing his baseless claims and to, essentially, assist him in trying to undermine a democracy.

January 20th can't come soon enough. I am beyond tired of that manipulative, corrupt psychopath.
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That said, would he run for president in 2024?
He'll probably die of spontaneous human combustion on live television before then.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Trump fan turning?
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Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Thursday called out Trump campaign attorney Sidney Powell, saying she “got angry” when he asked her for evidence to support her claims of voter fraud.

During a press conference earlier in the day with Rudy Giuliani, Powell baselessly alleged that Denver-based Dominion Voting Systems used technology developed by former Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who died in 2013.
She claimed votes were manipulated while being tabulated overseas to favor Joe Biden.

Carlson said he repeatedly reached out to Powell for evidence of her claim and invited her on the show. “When we kept pressing, she got angry and told us to stop contacting her,” Carlson said.
Votes are not tabulated overseas, anyway, the Georgia hand recount demonstrated the vote counting machines are correct.
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He'll probably die of spontaneous human combustion on live television before then.
Here's hoping. Or he'll be suffocated in his sleep by an aide who can't take any more.
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Or Melania
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Biden is relaunching his fight fund, I guess he feels he might need it
https://joebiden.com/presidency-for-all-americans/
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

@Medea Fleecestealer

I fear, like the media, we are spending too much time on this loser.
We should all make the effort to ignore him and let him fade ungraciously into the sunset of his career.

Now after the Georgia recount, Biden is showing a solid forecast of 306 electoral college votes and just sixteen thousand votes short of a six million vote majority.
In 2016 Trump had 306 electoral college votes and lost the popular vote by three million.

GOP will probably struggle to have a successful 2024 Presidential candidate especially if Biden does a good job; although fourteen other US presidents won the popular vote with a higher margin than Biden.
Highest margin was won by Richard Nixon
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The leaking is not even the worst thing. You see a confused old man, mumbling and shuffling with some papers. It looked more like a parody than something serious.

That said, would he run for president in 2024?
Yes, it was weird. It's one of those moments you can't really laugh because it would be cruel. In his case...retirement is the only option.
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Highest margin was won by Richard Nixon
Yes, that was his re-election. He had a poor opponent in McGovern, who failed to win his own state (along with 48 of the remaining 49). Nixon won by 18 million votes and 520-17 in the Electoral College (one faithless elector gave his vote to the independent candidate).

Nixon consistently led by large margins in the polls. It's a mystery why he felt the need to risk everything with the Watergate spying scandal.

Of course, George Dubya had a much greater margin of victory than Nixon, as both a marginal percentage and percentage of the popular vote (not absolute number of votes)—in both of his presidential election victories.

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Usual links to right wing nut jobs I see.

How about you provide some actual evidence that the vote was rigged rather than a couple of Trump supporters wetting their pants because they disobeyed Trump and certified a fair election?

Perhaps a little more balanced view in their local press

https://eu.freep.com/story/news/loca...nn/3770140001/
Interesting post Baboon.

For the record, my OH and I were watching the comedian, Crowder's podcast (I don't always agree with him but I do find him pretty funny), and he was the source of my info regarding those Republicans in Michigan who rescinded because they were "Doxxed" and felt their families were threatened.

The interesting part is when I did a google search for articles pertaining to this issue, only 2 appeared which I referenced. So, I have no idea why many in the press chose to ignore this info. Your guess is as good as mine as I would have thought this info was relevant.

Here is a link from a local newspaper; not sure why it didn't make the national press

https://themichiganstar.com/2020/11/...ly-threatened/

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