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Did I ever post you could not make this stuff up?

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Guiliani was waving around some papers in his press conference including an affidavit signed by Russell Ramsland, a Texas resident who is an expert on cyber security.
The affidavit was filed by Lin Wood in the Georgia lawsuit, but it relates entirely to Michigan, and it is a safe bet that it has been filed in one or more cases in that state as well.

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A preliminary analysis using data obtained from the Michigan Secretary of State pinpoints a statistical anomaly so far outside of every statistical norm as to be virtually impossible. … There were at least 19 precincts where the Presidential Votes Cast compared to the Estimated Voters based on Reported Statistics exceeded 100%.

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The unbelievable part is the townships and precincts listed are not in Michigan.
They are in Minnesota;- Benville, Monticello, Albertville, Bradford, Lake Lillian, Houston, Brownsville, &&& –these are all towns in Minnesota.
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Interesting post Baboon.
It's just a sad reflection of the culture wars we find ourselves in today. On one side the illiberal liberals, allergic to traditional values and sanctimoniously intolerant of Donald Trump. On the other there is the new alt-right, with their loathing of progressive politics and dogmatic patronage to anti-state libertarianism. Each side equally despises the other.

It's far easier (and more enjoyable I expect) for these factions to ridicule the opposition and their view points than make any coherent arguments for their own alternatives. This is one thing that four years of Donald Trump has shown us, it's not what one stands for, rather what one stands against.

If you're like me and don't find yourself in either faction, seeing both sides of an argument trying not to get carried away on the continuous tsunamis of outrage, it can often be that one finds oneself in the cross fire (as what happened to our friend MidfieldGeneral this week). So that when one asks the perfectly reasonable questions like "what happened in those dark hours between 3 and 9am when hundreds of thousands of votes went to Mr Biden?". One can find themselves labelled as "alt-right".

Never mind that such voting patterns are unprecedented, and that sudden, and the vast majority in favour of Mr Biden. One doesn't have to be a conspiracy to expect that in order for this election to be credible it needs to be carefully scrutinised. Unprecedented doesn't mean impossible, which is why this is not an extremist viewpoint to take.

To go back to the point though, anyone being labelled "alt-right" for having reasonable opinions says far more about the person saying it rather than them on the receiving end.

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Did I ever post you could not make this stuff up?
The incompetence of this "legal team" is mind-boggling. Probably that happens when no half-serious lawyer wants to go anywhere near a "case" like this. Pleased to see that these idiots are getting thrown out of court faster than hair spray can dry.

Hilarious that now even Tucker Carlson, of all people, asks on TV where the evidence is.

I think they need to double-down and also engage Judge Jeanine. Would make for good after work drinks with Rudy, I guess.
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Old 20.11.2020, 21:52
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It's just a sad reflection of the culture wars we find ourselves in today. On one side the illiberal liberals, allergic to traditional values and sanctimoniously intolerant of Donald Trump. On the other there is the new alt-right, with their loathing of progressive politics and dogmatic patronage to anti-state libertarianism. Each side equally despises the other.

It's far easier (and more enjoyable I expect) for these factions to ridicule the opposition and their view points than make any coherent arguments for their own alternatives. This is one thing that four years of Donald Trump has shown us, it's not what one stands for, rather what one stands against.

If you're like me and don't find yourself in either faction, seeing both sides of an argument trying not to get carried away on the continuous tsunamis of outrage, it can often be that one finds oneself in the cross fire (as what happened to our friend MidfieldGeneral this week). So that when one asks the perfectly reasonable questions like "what happened in those dark hours between 3 and 9am when hundreds of thousands of votes went to Mr Biden?". One can find themselves labelled as "alt-right".

Never mind that such voting patterns are unprecedented, and that sudden, and the vast majority in favour of Mr Biden. One doesn't have to be a conspiracy to expect that in order for this election to be credible it needs to be carefully scrutinised. Unprecedented doesn't mean impossible, which is why this is not an extremist viewpoint to take.

To go back to the point though, anyone being labelled "alt-right" for having reasonable opinions says far more about the person saying it rather than them on the receiving end.
This is quite easy. You have a claim, raise it, prove it in front of a judge. If you cannot, shut up. If you get thrown out of almost every court, I suggest that your case is propaganda and defamation. And it should be called out for what it is.
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However, up to fairly recently Mr. Trump has been able to use the courts to “Win” his cases. He probably continues to believe the Supreme Court justices will rescue him, because they owe him ‘big time’.

I wish Biden would appeal to the Supremes to order Government officials to do their jobs. It is unlikely that Trump will sit down with Mr. Biden, but that doesn’t actually matter. He knows Trump’s job a lot better than Trump does.

Time to move on people.
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The interesting part is when I did a google search for articles pertaining to this issue, only 2 appeared which I referenced. So, I have no idea why many in the press chose to ignore this info. Your guess is as good as mine as I would have thought this info was relevant.

Here is a link from a local newspaper; not sure why it didn't make the national press

https://themichiganstar.com/2020/11/...ly-threatened/
When I googled all of 21 minutes later I got at least 40 results after which I stopped scrolling.
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When I googled all of 21 minutes later I got at least 40 results after which I stopped scrolling.
That was 12 hours later. Show me one mainstream media who covered this?
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Alright, that's enough of the personal comments. This thread is going to stay closed until (at least) tomorrow so everyone can chill out.

Have a digestif and a nice evening.
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The move paves the way for Pennsylvania to next week certify Joe Biden's win - he leads by more than 80,000 votes.

It is the latest blow to Donald Trump, who is trying to overturn his loss in the 3 November presidential election.
From the BBC
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That was 12 hours later. Show me one mainstream media who covered this?
Your post is timestamped at 23:28. My answer at 23:49. 21 minutes. Go back and look for yourself. Posts 3009 and 3010.

BTW I first read the story in the Graun's ticker.
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@Bowlie

And a similar but even stronger article from Politico
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The judge issued a withering opinion in his dismissal of the suit that Rudy Giuliani turned up to argue in a small Pennsylvania city this week.

“This Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence,” U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann wrote.
“In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state.
Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.”
This was Trump's last major legal action so hopefully, he will see sense, concede, and go playing golf.

Slightly more than half of Republicans believe that President Donald Trump “rightfully won” the election a new Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted Nov. 13 to 17 finds.

One has to wonder why they do not question the anomaly that there are such claims of huge illegal voting for Biden when there are no such widespread claims about the Senate, House, and State legislature elections that were part of the same election.
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Old 22.11.2020, 11:31
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And a similar but even stronger article from Politico


This was Trump's last major legal action so hopefully, he will see sense, concede, and go playing golf.

Slightly more than half of Republicans believe that President Donald Trump “rightfully won” the election a new Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted Nov. 13 to 17 finds.

One has to wonder why they do not question the anomaly that there are such claims of huge illegal voting for Biden when there are no such widespread claims about the Senate, House, and State legislature elections that were part of the same election.
See sense? Trump??? Why would he suddenly start now!

That "just more than half" is a significant improvement on one from a week or so ago. 11 November it was up around 80%!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ot-legitimate/
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And a similar but even stronger article from Politico


This was Trump's last major legal action so hopefully, he will see sense, concede, and go playing golf.

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Trump says he is going to the Supreme Court will this - seems like he was trying to get there as soon as possible.
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Seriously.... Trump is just continuing his sh+t show to appease his supporters. In the meantime, he continues sulking while golfing and is letting others run the show until January.
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If you're like me and don't find yourself in either faction, seeing both sides of an argument trying not to get carried away on the continuous tsunamis of outrage, it can often be that one finds oneself in the cross fire (as what happened to our friend MidfieldGeneral this week). So that when one asks the perfectly reasonable questions like "what happened in those dark hours between 3 and 9am when hundreds of thousands of votes went to Mr Biden?". One can find themselves labelled as "alt-right".

Never mind that such voting patterns are unprecedented, and that sudden, and the vast majority in favour of Mr Biden. One doesn't have to be a conspiracy to expect that in order for this election to be credible it needs to be carefully scrutinised. Unprecedented doesn't mean impossible, which is why this is not an extremist viewpoint to take.
No. People have been explaining this all along. I don’t think it’s unprecedented at all. But, I am a US citizen and used to the bizarreness of US voting.

1. Democrats vigorously encouraged mail in voting, early voting, absentee voting. So, many Democrats voted ahead of time.
2. For whatever reason, states have individual rules about accumulating votes - for example, in PA, you cannot open mail in votes before Election Day. Most states allow for leeway in counting mail in votes after Election Day. This includes both absentee and mail in votes. Some of the limitations regarding signatures, when to open votes, etc are put in force for political reasons. Likewise, limiting the number of drop off boxes in places like Texas.
3. Republicans encouraged Election Day voting.

As a consequence, more Republicans voted on Election Day, more Democrats voted via mail. Democratic votes were counted after Election Day which created a large number of votes for Biden which seemed to accumulate in the middle of the night.


The good thing is that turnout was high. And election officials have mostly worked as bipartisans to ensure a secure vote process, and have not fallen prey to political influence (e.g., Georgia). Citizens had their votes counted, no matter how they chose to vote. And people were given options to vote.

Most of the Trump legal actions have been without merit, again decided by judges who are on either side of the fence. Just because you can cobble together some legal action does not mean it is worthy of consideration.

To be fair, I am clearly on the side of the Democrats. But that doesn’t mean I do not see this for what it is.

I really feel that Trump’s behavior now is akin to a petulant spoiled child who wants to get even - his memory is long. From listening to the press conference (McIniney, or whatever) on Friday, I get the impression Trump is processing some major butthurt from 4 years ago when he felt he was not sufficiently welcomed to the presidency. Whatever. I wish he’d just do his freakin’ job, or leave with some grace. Asking too much, I guess.
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Tome it is obvious that Trump is going for the Supremes. But despite their Conservative leanings they are simply not going to want to get involved. Every rejection that Trump’s lawyers have received has been due to the lack of (credible) evidence.

The Supremes can see a simple solution to this, provide the (credible) evidence! Their review is not necessary. Had evidence been rejected by any court then perhaps they could have a say, regarding the rejection. But as no (credible) evidence has been provided Trump is SOAL.

If I was one of the contributors to his campaign I would be really pissed off where my money was being spent.
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The NYTs (Paywall) had an interesting op-ed discussing the Obama-Trump transition by iSusan Rice. She reports that Obama had to insist that Trump meet with him to be informed of Presidential things. She (says) she met with her replacement but many others had been told not to meet with their counterparts.

It’s obvious Trump doesn’t believe, or want, a transition process. Either way.

So the Democrats will likely have to go to the courts to force government officials to do their jobs. Now that might end up with the Supremes.
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Trump and his 'team' are clearly trying to interfere with the election results and should be prosecuted for it.

18 U.S. Code § 595. Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments

Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.



In Wisconsin, the recount results have to be in by December 1st to be verified, but Trump representatives overseeing the recount are intentionally trying to slow down and hinder the process.

Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire..._headlines_hed

"A steady stream of Republican complaints in Milwaukee was putting the recount far behind schedule, county clerk George Christenson said. He said many Trump observers were breaking rules by constantly interrupting vote counters with questions and comments.

At one recount table, a Trump observer objected to every ballot that tabulators pulled from a bag simply because they were folded, election officials told the panel.

At least one Trump observer was escorted out of the building by sheriff’s deputies Saturday after pushing an election official who had lifted her coat from an observer chair."
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Tome it is obvious that Trump is going for the Supremes. But despite their Conservative leanings they are simply not going to want to get involved. Every rejection that Trump’s lawyers have received has been due to the lack of (credible) evidence.
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I do not see a path to the Supreme Court for Trump.
The judges in the 30 plus cases that Trump has lost so far were all very scathing about the quality of the case.

For example, yesterday Justice Brann stated the Trump team's argument "like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together from two distinct theories in an attempt to avoid controlling precedent" and characterized the requested remedy to disqualify the votes as "unhinged from the underlying right being asserted."

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..........So that when one asks the perfectly reasonable questions like "what happened in those dark hours between 3 and 9 am when hundreds of thousands of votes went to Mr Biden?". ....................
It is long past the time for Trump to have ceded to Biden and accept he is another old guy with little left in his future.

I must admit your amusing idea really lifted my cold and gloomy Sunday that the Dems somehow inserted six million ballots into the election in the early morning hours.
You probably forgot to add they commandeered a cloaked alien spacecraft from Area 51 to matter transport the ballots into the system.
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I must admit your amusing idea really lifted my cold and gloomy Sunday that the Dems somehow inserted six million ballots into the election in the early morning hours.
But this is exactly what the data shows - at least on the graphs presented. I am also wondering how these large numbers of Biden votes got into the system at night. This might be explainable but it doesn’t look “normal”..
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