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Old 10.12.2020, 09:33
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

I can't even keep up with Trump and all of his bull*** anymore.

The electoral college is supposed to vote this Monday, the 14th. So what happens after that, or are Trump and his team trying to stall the electoral vote?
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I don't really think that even Trump himself believes he would have won any of these court cases. He ain't stupid. As said earlier, his game is to tarnish the election in the minds of his flock...er...voters so he can project himself as the legitimate winner from whom the election was stolen. This positions him to announce that he'll run for President in 2024 and he'll probably announce it on inauguration day.
I think he is not that stupid to run for president again in 2024. His story will not look right — if he claims that the election was stolen from him and he couldn’t do anything about it, then what kind of a leader would he be if he allowed this to happen? To me it looks like he is still trying to turn this election around.
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Old 10.12.2020, 09:48
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The electoral college is supposed to vote this Monday, the 14th. So what happens after that, or are Trump and his team trying to stall the electoral vote?
They can't, they won't and they will not be allowed to do so even if they did. Do not underestimate Trump though. His ability to control the minds of over 70m people is the reason why the GOP leadership is so shockingly quiet about things it should be screaming about. Underestimating and dismissing Trump has been a very costly mistake, I hope both the Dems and the GOP will not do that mistake again.

Although, perversely, my hope lies more with the GOP rather than the Dems. The Dems comical polling ineptitude that led them to lose the Senate race, total inability to select a decent, modern and sorry, younger Presidential candidate, pathetic screaming while Trump was raping the Supreme Court projects a party unable to govern itself and not in control of anything. The GOP at least has the capability and power to run things.


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I think he is not that stupid to run for president again in 2024. His story will not look right — if he claims that the election was stolen from him and he couldn’t do anything about it, then what kind of a leader would he be if he allowed this to happen? To me it looks like he is still trying to turn this election around.
Time will tell. I hope you are right and I am wrong as the sooner we have him out of the picture, the sooner the US can slowly start to rebuild itself into something that at least resembles some unity. His ability to divide and conquer is unlike anything I've seen before.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

I suspect that may be behind it, but the only way the date could be delayed would be a vote by both houses of congress. I doubt the Supremes have the remit to delay the vote.

But the vote itself is just another step, the next being the counting of the votes on 6 January. The sitting vice president (Pence) takes on the role of Senate president and officiates the joint session of Congress. They ask electoral members to read aloud the results of their representing state's certificates cast by the electors to finalize the vote count. If nobody objects to any of the readings, the Senate president officially announces the chosen president-elect and vice president-elect from the election.

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I can't even keep up with Trump and all of his bull*** anymore.

The electoral college is supposed to vote this Monday, the 14th. So what happens after that, or are Trump and his team trying to stall the electoral vote?
What happens if some states file a lawsuit against other states to overturn the election results? Will the vote of 14th will be postponed?

Already explained by Bowlie
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And I think someone should be keeping an eye out for any change in preparedness of US Military Units.

A Coup, while completely unlikely, is not impossible given the players.
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And I think someone should be keeping an eye out for any change in preparedness of US Military Units.

A Coup, while completely unlikely, is not impossible given the players.
As you rightly say... not impossible, but very unlikely. I just can't see it happening.
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Old 10.12.2020, 10:12
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As you rightly say... not impossible, but very unlikely. I just can't see it happening.
if Donald thought he could get away with it, would he try? And would the military follow him?

I suspect the answers to those questions are Yes and Some will; some won’t.
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Old 10.12.2020, 10:16
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if Donald thought he could get away with it, would he try? And would the military follow him?

I suspect the answers to those questions are Yes and Some will; some won’t.
Pretty sure there isn't much he wouldn't do if he thought he could get away with it, including a military coup. However I do not believe that the military would even consider supporting him and changing the course of the country forever to an undemocratic tinpot dictatorship state. It would be a disaster for the future of the country on pretty much every level I can think of. The principles America means something to a lot of Americans and to get that kind of support for such a drastic action would imo be really stretching things. It could well result in a civil war.

Plus, I think many people are now just tired, exhausted even, of Trump and his antics and just want some sanity back to their world.
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Old 10.12.2020, 10:29
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Although, perversely, my hope lies more with the GOP rather than the Dems. The Dems comical polling ineptitude that led them to lose the Senate race, total inability to select a decent, modern and sorry, younger Presidential candidate, pathetic screaming while Trump was raping the Supreme Court projects a party unable to govern itself and not in control of anything. The GOP at least has the capability and power to run things.
To be honest... I think that Biden might have been one of the few Dem candidates who did have the ability to beat Trump, though (which did prove to be the case in the sense that he did end up beating Trump, though of course we have no idea how the election would have gone if it had been down to him and Sanders, for example).

I watched an interview a few weeks ago where a guy was talking about how he had warned Trump, over a year ago, that the candidate who was most likely to beat him was Biden.
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Old 10.12.2020, 10:57
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To be honest... I think that Biden might have been one of the few Dem candidates who did have the ability to beat Trump.
I disagree. This election was much more a vote of confidence for Trump rather than anything else. The fact that Biden won by such a huge margin while the Dems are losing by an even wider and unexpected margin the Senate should tell you something.

A Presidential candidate who openly says "I'm a one-term-President" makes himself a lame-duck on his 3rd year.

Now put all this together: GOP controlling the Senate with a certain McConnell who loves to filibuster Dems, A 6:3 red majority in the Supreme Court, most of the state governors are red and a soon-to-be-lame-duck Dem President who already faced challenge from his own party for the ridiculous nomination of Gen Austin. Why would anyone sane, who knows he needs absolutely every single Dem vote and ideally sway a few GOPs propose something that will divide his own party? Even if this goes through and he gets the exception (because he needs an exception) he will have wasted precious political capital, of which he has almost none.
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A Presidential candidate who openly says "I'm a one-term-President" makes himself a lame-duck on his 3rd year.
I don't remember ever hearing that Biden had said that. When / where did he say that, exactly? (I'm not saying that he didn't -- I had just never heard that before). I assume it's a reference to his age, but again, I just never saw anything about him saying that before.

Most Dems that I know love Kamala Harris, so if it comes down to her and Trump (or any other other Republican candidate) in 2024, I think Harris would have a good chance of winning -- at least at this point.

A lot can change in the next 3-4 years, I guess.
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I don't remember ever hearing that Biden had said that. When / where did he say that, exactly? (I'm not saying that he didn't -- I had just never heard that before). I assume it's a reference to his age, but again, I just never saw anything about him saying that before.
"...Biden himself signaling to aides that he would serve only a single term.

While the option of making a public pledge remains available, Biden has for now settled on an alternative strategy: quietly indicating that he will almost certainly not run for a second term while declining to make a promise that he and his advisers fear could turn him into a lame duck and sap him of his political capital..."


https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...le-term-082129
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I don't remember ever hearing that Biden had said that. When / where did he say that, exactly?
As far as I am aware he hasn't 'openly' said it https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...le-term-082129
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The federal investigation into President-elect Joe Biden’s son Hunter has been more extensive than a statement from Hunter Biden indicates, according to a person with firsthand knowledge of the investigation.

On Wednesday, Hunter Biden said he had been contacted about a tax investigation out of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Delaware.

In addition to Delaware, the securities fraud unit in the Southern District of New York also scrutinized Hunter Biden’s finances, according to the person with direct knowledge of the investigation.
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With luck they will put Trump and Hunter in the same cell.
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The GOP at least has the capability and power to run things.
I agree with you on all points in your post besides this one...the GOP has shown themselves to be totally incapable for standing by Trump even when he went completely against all of the principles they supposedly stand for. There has been a mass exodus from the party for a reason...
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Trump does not win under any circumstances. It's that simple.

Trump lost the election. No-one cares about this cry-baby narcissist after the loser is booted out of office, possibly by U.S. Military.

Although Narrcicistic pieces of S h i , like Trump, threaten a deep bite, they are 99% of the time all bark.

His complaining and "rigged election" is all rigged to convince a bunch of idiots to support him. The whole election was rigged to get the exact result he wanted, which is about $200+ million dollars in hillbilly money to write those checks his ego was trying to cash.

Ever read "Art of the Deal" by Trump from years ago, it has presented all of these special opportunities to convince "you" in your own mind that he is right.

The best discovery of all is finding your own truth and allowing yourself to value that higher than science or facts, that's according to Trump's philosophy. Trump and his family are criminals and deserve whatever is coming their way.
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A Presidential candidate who openly says "I'm a one-term-President" makes himself a lame-duck on his 3rd year.
Or gives him a great opportunity to hand over the reins of power to a sorthy chosen successor who will continue pushing the same policies?

Not sure whether the "system" would make that difficult, but potentially, if he's done enough to convince the electorate his policies are working, it may allow a prolonged period of stability. God knows they need it.
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Or gives him a great opportunity to hand over the reins of power to a sorthy chosen successor who will continue pushing the same policies?
You mean hand over the reins of power to a chosen successor who was NOT elected in the role of President? This will be a blatant abuse of power, the sort of abuse we're now criticizing Trump of. This is precisely what Putin did with Medvedev.
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You mean hand over the reins of power to a chosen successor who was NOT elected in the role of President?
No, of course that's not what I meant. Why would you think that?

Sowing the seeds of positivity that a following candidate can build on (if you'll forgive the mixed metaphors) by being clear that he's not just out for re-election to hold on to power, is what I was suggesting.
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