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#**3301** 15.12.2020, 10:25

I was just looking at some photos of past presidents using that ludicrously tiny desk behind which Trump was photographed in a recent press conference. All but Trump used it to sign bills, with a large number of people gathered round (which makes the tininess of the desk reasonable).

I only just noticed that a large number of those presidents were left-handed. In fact, since Gerald Ford, there have been five left-handed presidents:

Gerald Ford
Ronald Reagan
George H.W. Bush
Bill Clinton
Barack Obama

Apparently Truman, Hoover and Garfield were also left-handed.

Interesting that nearly 50% of recent presidents are left-handed, compared to about 10% of the general population. You could say that there's been a bunch of lefties in the White House. But Biden won't be one of them.

st2lemans · #**3302** 15.12.2020, 10:25

	Quote:	leonie
	PA, GA, MI, WI, AZ, NM, NV had GOP electors cast votes for Trump.

Wrong.

The only states with split votes are ME and NE, as they are not winner-take-all states.

Tom

bowlie · #**3303** 15.12.2020, 10:27

	Quote:
	I was just looking at some photos of past presidents using that ludicrously tiny desk behind which Trump was photographed in a recent press conference. All but Trump used it to sign bills, with a large number of people gathered round (which makes the tininess of the desk reasonable). I only just noticed that a large number of those presidents were left-handed. In fact, since Gerald Ford, there have been five left-handed presidents: Gerald Ford Ronald Reagan George H.W. Bush Bill Clinton Barack Obama Apparently Truman, Hoover and Garfield were also left-handed. Interesting that nearly 50% of recent presidents are left-handed, compared to about 10% of the general population. You could say that there's been a bunch of lefties in the White House. But Biden won't be one of them.

Sounds Sinister.

k_and_e · #**3304** 15.12.2020, 10:30

	Quote:
	I was just looking at some photos of past presidents using that ludicrously tiny desk behind which Trump was photographed in a recent press conference. All but Trump used it to sign bills, with a large number of people gathered round (which makes the tininess of the desk reasonable). I only just noticed that a large number of those presidents were left-handed. In fact, since Gerald Ford, there have been five left-handed presidents: Gerald Ford Ronald Reagan George H.W. Bush Bill Clinton Barack Obama Apparently Truman, Hoover and Garfield were also left-handed. Interesting that nearly 50% of recent presidents are left-handed, compared to about 10% of the general population. You could say that there's been a bunch of lefties in the White House. But Biden won't be one of them.

That makes Trump the best right handed president of the century!

#**3305** 15.12.2020, 11:27

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Wrong. The only states with split votes are ME and NE, as they are not winner-take-all states. Tom

It does look a bit... useless.
This is what they did:

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/politi...tes-for-trump/

#**3306** 15.12.2020, 11:41

	Quote:	ennui
	Where do you see this? Not in the official Electoral College vote tally. Is this what Stephen Miller was talking about yesterday? That they have their own electors off voting somewhere?

They call it procedural votes, and this seems to be giving some kind of option to keep the legal cases going, if I updarstand it right.

	Quote:
	Trump loyalists in Pennsylvania held a rival meeting in Harrisburg on Monday and cast what they described as a "conditional vote" for Trump and Vice President Mike Pence. The state Republican Party said the Trump electors met at the request of the campaign. "We took this procedural vote to preserve any legal claims that may be presented going forward," Bernie Comfort, Trump's Pennsylvania chairperson, said in a statement. "This was in no way an effort to usurp or contest the will of the Pennsylvania voters."Trump loyalists in Pennsylvania held a rival meeting in Harrisburg on Monday and cast what they described as a "conditional vote" for Trump and Vice President Mike Pence. The state Republican Party said the Trump electors met at the request of the campaign.

https://6abc.com/electoral-votes-pa-...biden/8768539/

bowlie · #**3307** 15.12.2020, 12:33

Well it’s official now. The waiting is over. Mr. Putin has declared that Mr. Biden has won! It can’t get any more official than that.

Everyone ready for 2024?

marton · #**3308** 15.12.2020, 12:37

	Quote:	leonie
	It does look a bit... useless. This is what they did:

It is incredible how Trump has taken over the GOP and turned it into his private cult.

Even after the Electoral College gave Biden 306 votes (more than Trump in 2016) they refuse to acknowledge Biden as President-Elect.
Without rhyme or reason or any shred of evidence and despite the US Attorney General William Barr stating there was no evidence of widespread fraud; these spineless cowards are so frightened of Trump they lie, prevaricate and turn their eyes firmly away from the truth.

#**3309** 15.12.2020, 13:00

	Quote:	k_and_e
	That makes Trump the best right handed president of the century!

Dubya is right-handed, and Trump isn't even better than him!

st2lemans · #**3310** 15.12.2020, 13:46

	Quote:	leonie
	They call it procedural votes, and this seems to be giving some kind of option to keep the legal cases going, if I updarstand it right.

There is nothing to understand, it's just meaningless nonsense.

Tom

k_and_e · #**3311** 15.12.2020, 14:31

	Quote:
	Dubya is right-handed, and Trump isn't even better than him!

I mixed up the bushes. Still, Trump is in the top 2 republican right handed presidents in the last 45 years

John William · #**3312** 15.12.2020, 14:36

Well Russia's President Putin becomes one of the last world leader to congratulate President-elect, Joe Biden.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55312272

#**3313** 15.12.2020, 15:04

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I mixed up the bushes. Still, Trump is in the top 2 republican right handed presidents in the last 45 years

Lol. Actually, Trump is far and away the best right-handed president from New York as well as Florida who was elected with the help of the Russians in the history of the USA!

gaburko · #**3314** 15.12.2020, 15:20

I was thinking this morning, probably already in a miraculous-Christmas mood whether Biden can make an offer to Trump that he can't possibly refuse. Trump was protected by W. Barr from being prosecuted as a sitting President, most recently from Mueller's report which stopped short of indicting him precisely because he's a sitting President. But things are now different and this is a possible leverage of Biden vs. Trump.

Listen Donald, I'll NOT unleash the DoJ dogs after you and we will not prosecute you. Your part of the deal? Just retire, play golf and look after your finances which are in shambles anyway. Stop twitter and stop meddling.

Clearly, he can call the bluff as this could possibly turn him into a martyr in the eyes of some GOP supporters and at the same time give momentum to a possible 2024 campaign but just a thought...

Jim2007 · #**3315** 15.12.2020, 15:51

	Quote:	gaburko
	Listen Donald, I'll NOT unleash the DoJ dogs after you and we will not prosecute you. Your part of the deal? Just retire, play golf and look after your finances which are in shambles anyway. Stop twitter and stop meddling.

No, a pardon would be the way to go... means like Nixon, he have to accept responsibility, there would be no trial and no appeals. Then go play golf.

gaburko · #**3316** 15.12.2020, 16:03

	Quote:	Jim2007
	No, a pardon would be the way to go... means like Nixon, he have to accept responsibility, there would be no trial and no appeals. Then go play golf.

No way Trump will accept that as it's too public and he'll have to accept responsibility and if pardoned, he becomes an unpredictable variable again. Keeping the leverage against him is preferable while at the same time it could be done behind the scenes so not to put his vanity on the table, which we know is the major force driving him

marton · #**3317** 15.12.2020, 16:05

	Quote:	Jim2007
	No, a pardon would be the way to go... means like Nixon, he have to accept responsibility, there would be no trial and no appeals. Then go play golf.

True, any other approach would require Biden to instruct the DOJ which would be a breach of the separation of powers.

Separation of powers is a doctrine of constitutional law under which the three branches of government (executive, legislative, and judicial) are kept separate.

marton · #**3318** 15.12.2020, 16:09

	Quote:
	CNN's parent company, WarnerMedia Inc. rejected two ads from President Trump's reelection campaign that contained baseless allegations of widespread election fraud, Bloomberg reported Monday. An unidentified source told the news outlet that claims made in the ads could not be substantiated. A statement from the Trump campaign obtained by Bloomberg indicated that the ads, meant to “inform viewers of the widespread corruption that occurred in the 2020 election," would run on unspecified national news networks.

This nonsense is a never-ending story.

#**3319** 15.12.2020, 16:36

	Quote:	marton
	This nonsense is a never-ending story.

Yep, that's exactly what Trump wants: the lie about corruption and fraud to keep running endlessly, or at least until full, fair, unbiased* elections in 2024 can bring him back.

*Only if Trump wins.

HickvonFrick · #**3320** 15.12.2020, 16:44

	Quote:	gaburko
	I was thinking this morning, probably already in a miraculous-Christmas mood whether Biden can make an offer to Trump that he can't possibly refuse. Trump was protected by W. Barr from being prosecuted as a sitting President, most recently from Mueller's report which stopped short of indicting him precisely because he's a sitting President. But things are now different and this is a possible leverage of Biden vs. Trump. Listen Donald, I'll NOT unleash the DoJ dogs after you and we will not prosecute you. Your part of the deal? Just retire, play golf and look after your finances which are in shambles anyway. Stop twitter and stop meddling. Clearly, he can call the bluff as this could possibly turn him into a martyr in the eyes of some GOP supporters and at the same time give momentum to a possible 2024 campaign but just a thought...

Of course, Biden might want a damaged and deeply non-credible Trump as his opponent in 2024. Maybe better not to land a killer blow.

TBH its probably best for US unity for him not to face criminal charges, but rather to let him slowly wither on the vine.