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So the cops moved the barricades to let them protest in the grounds as was their right and you use that as evidence of a media conspiracy to misrepresent the later storming of the building and associated violence? Hmm ok.
"Media conspiracy", your words, not mine. Point to where I've said that or stop misrepresenting I've said.

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How about you try again and present evidence of a major news organisation, reporting a real item of fake news, something patently false, not some misreporting that was later corrected but an actual blatant lie by say, trumps favourite whipping boy CNN, lets have it.
Well there's varying levels of what's a "blatant lie" isn't there?

First there are the actual blatant lies that have to be retracted like CNN story linking Anthony Scaramucci to the Russians.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40414886

Or there are the "anonymous sources" that has been used to print anything they want (often corroborated with other anonymous sources). Examples of this include what the Atlantic printed President Trump is alleged to have said about war dead or the example below about what James Comey was going to say during his testimony which also had to be retracted due to it being completely wrong.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...icts-reporting

Or this story regarding wire tapping, which was also turned out to be wrong (fake), but somehow didn't get retracted.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/18/p...ans/index.html

Then there's the little lies like the Donald Trump feeding the koi carp in Japan story.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/06/p...pan/index.html

These are just examples, there but it's also just the general spin. The frenzy over Russia meddling was the peak of this. Facts are rarely presented on their own merit to allow the reader to decide for themselves. Even the so called "fact checkers" can't be trusted as NBC news proved when they "fact checked" Donald Trump's claim that there'd be a Covid vaccine by the end of 2020.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...perts-n1207411

Donald Trump is a pathological liar and a narcissist, there has never been any need for the press to tarnish themselves in order to try and catch him out. Basic journalistic integrity and reporting of the facts would have been more than enough, as it is they've discredited themselves and done tremendous damage to Western democracy.
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It comes from the term pork barrel politics. Meaning adding unrelated bills or diverting the funding away from the main purpose of the bill or legislation.
For example: Calling it a relief stimulus for the American people, but the people only get 10 cents for every dollar because the other 90 cents goes somewhere else (payouts, pockets of the donor class, etc). That 90 cents is called pork and people have had enough of it. We're ready to go vegan you know.
Actually, I did get that bit. It was the rest of your post that left me confounded. 18% approval = 82% disenfranchisement? That's a bit of a stretch. "I don't like the last decision that Congress made, therefore I feel completely unrepresented in Washington".
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I believe the wine may be starting to talk but here goes:

I hearby forth call upon this juncture to officially form the American Moderate Party or AMP for short. #Areyouamped?

Our "marketing" will be our theme song which not only identifies those who oppose us but also a call for unity at the same time.

Are you ready for it..........tell me what you think....

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ALRIGHT!!ALRIGHT!!!! Let's turn this AMP up to 11 baby!!!

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Not only this is supposed to be the most secure building on Earth, but at the time of the break-in almost all of the US government was present on site and had to be evacuated.

Rumors are that Xi has already offered to send 250 000 Chinese peacekeepers to Washington to help restoring the order
Alibaba and his 250 000 bon-hommes.

I wonder where he's gone.
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Come on man!
Insulting and ostracizing each other gets us nowhere.
It doesnt matter if you listen to Bob Dylan or 2Pac, the calls for revolution have been there for decades now and across all spectrums. Congress has an 18% approval rating which means 82% of Americans feel disenfranchised and without a party that represents them. 82%
People are losing their houses and the shirts off of their backs as congress hands out corporate bailouts on a silver platter but can't even agree on giving the people leftover scraps without adding a ton of pork to it. People are hurting and they need help now! This anger is not going away any time soon. We can use this opportunity and energy to come together and create something beautiful like a third or even fourth party. Or we can follow the media driven narrative and continue to let it distract and divide us. These events and protests (from both sides) over the last year goes far beyond Trump or Biden.
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Precisely. To add insult to injury US government has been outsourcing and off shoring American future for decades. First it was black market of illegal labor via Southern border and sanctuary cities that hit the blue collar workers, then it was call-center and CS/Helpdesk jobs that went to India. We were told it is all good for us, as Indians become richer they will consume more what we produce and we all have jobs (right). Then all that we used to produce was outsourced to China, so Indians are buying from Aliexpress. Then came H1B job outsourcing and 100,000s of IT and Science jobs went to China, India and if that was not enough US government allowed corporations to flood market with H1B Indians and Chinese to drive down wages in high income sectors. And the list goes on.
US Congress should be burned to the ground not just invaded.
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This is what scares the hell out of me.
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A YouGov poll suggests that a majority of US voters perceived Wednesday’s storming of the Capitol as a threat to democracy - but there is a strong divide along party lines.

The survey of 1,397 registered US voters found 62% considered the riot a threat to democracy - including 93% of Democrats, 55% of independents, and 27% of Republicans.

Among Republicans, 45% of those polled actively supported the actions of Trump supporters disrupting Congress while it was in session, although 43% did not, YouGov found.

Several surveys in recent years have found that US politics is increasingly polarised - with sharp differences in opinion along party lines.
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The Taliban have offered to send a peace keeping delegation to America.
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Even the so called "fact checkers" can't be trusted as NBC news proved when they "fact checked" Donald Trump's claim that there'd be a Covid vaccine by the end of 2020.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...perts-n1207411
Taking this example of your evidence of "fake news":

I had a look at the "fact check". The article doesn't state that Trump lies. It does, however quote experts who said (back in May 2020) that it would "take a miracle" to produce a vaccine for COVID-19 by the end of the year. By the way, biopharmas were saying the same thing at the time. So the news organisation (NBC) accurately reported the facts available. If you really must blame somebody, it was the quoted experts who provided "fake news"—but even then, they were stating only what they believed and what was known to them.

Sorry to break this to you, but mainstream media outlets don't go around making up stories. They report the available information. Sometimes the data may later be shown to be incorrect. The news organisations do the best they can with what's available.
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I would like to inherit them, ok? For the baby-goat yarn.
You take the yarn, I'll take the meat and offal.

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Tom, that’s just offal.
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"Media conspiracy", your words, not mine. Point to where I've said that or stop misrepresenting I've said.
That's your fallback tactic isn't it? if someone doesn't use your exact words even when you aren't being directly quoted you feign victimhood by misrepresentation.
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Well there's varying levels of what's a "blatant lie" isn't there?
I think I was quite clear in my description including 'not corrected'

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First there are the actual blatant lies that have to be retracted like CNN story linking Anthony Scaramucci to the Russians.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40414886
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Or there are the "anonymous sources" that has been used to print anything they want (often corroborated with other anonymous sources). Examples of this include what the Atlantic printed President Trump is alleged to have said about war dead or the example below about what James Comey was going to say during his testimony which also had to be retracted due to it being completely wrong.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...icts-reporting
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Or this story regarding wire tapping, which was also turned out to be wrong (fake), but somehow didn't get retracted.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/18/p...ans/index.html
Literally the first paragraph in that article is an editors note saying the IG report contradicts elements of the article and they added that note the day after the IG report - 0 points

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Then there's the little lies like the Donald Trump feeding the koi carp in Japan story.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/06/p...pan/index.html
What lies? there's video showing it happening, the link you posted even mentioned Abe emptied his box first and trump followed suit - 0 points.

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These are just examples, there but it's also just the general spin. The frenzy over Russia meddling was the peak of this. Facts are rarely presented on their own merit to allow the reader to decide for themselves. Even the so called "fact checkers" can't be trusted as NBC news proved when they "fact checked" Donald Trump's claim that there'd be a Covid vaccine by the end of 2020.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...perts-n1207411

Donald Trump is a pathological liar and a narcissist, there has never been any need for the press to tarnish themselves in order to try and catch him out. Basic journalistic integrity and reporting of the facts would have been more than enough, as it is they've discredited themselves and done tremendous damage to Western democracy.
"general spin" is not fake news, Russian interference has been established and was a huge story, a degree of breathless reporting is to be expected and I don't know what you're trying to say with the last link, he was accurately quoted in May when there were no vaccine candidates and I saw several experts interviewed around that time saying it was unlikely.

So your total is 0 points, thanks for playing, now I've wasted enough time on your nonsense, as several posters have mentioned, on an ignore list is where you belong. Console yourself if you like that your mighty intellect has vanquished another.
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Old 07.01.2021, 20:21
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Taking this example of your evidence of "fake news":

I had a look at the "fact check". The article doesn't state that Trump lies. It does, however quote experts who said (back in May 2020) that it would "take a miracle" to produce a vaccine for COVID-19 by the end of the year. By the way, biopharmas were saying the same thing at the time. So the news organisation (NBC) accurately reported the facts available. If you really must blame somebody, it was the quoted experts who provided "fake news"—but even then, they were stating only what they believed and what was known to them.

Sorry to break this to you, but mainstream media outlets don't go around making up stories. They report the available information. Sometimes the data may later be shown to be incorrect. The news organisations do the best they can with what's available.
The sad thing is that you actually believe that, even after I posted examples of CNN “making up a story”. Again, it comes back to ones perception of reality.

All I can say is we must have had a miracle in 2020
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"Media conspiracy", your words, not mine.
If what you are saying is really happening is, then that implies a massive media conspiracy.

Comedy gold. Brilliant trolling* - and excellent dog whistling - well done.

Do go on. Because there's no way you actually believe anything you're posting is true.
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...One of my favourite replies there stated that it was definitely Antifa who invaded the Capitol because in photos "they were wearing helmets and backpacks". 😂
Turns out one of those with a helmet was a West Virginia state senator (scroll down to 7.20 p.m. If you're a peaceful protester then why do you need a helmet? Why does a sitting state legislator think it's okay to advocate for storming the nation's capitol building?
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My FB Feed has some US friends claiming it was the antifa too. It’s like the refuse to see the truth and will find any excuse to exonerate those protestors and Trump as well.
Antifa and/or an inside job.

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Hopefully not. This is useless, but more importantly, gives more fuel to his lunatic supporters to claim it's all been a plot.
Agree, the 25th at this point is too little, too late.

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... Nobody could have predicted this would happen on such an historic day for the nation...
Trump may have, to be honest. He's the one who said that the local police should be in charge, not the feds, and then told his supporters to march on the Capitol. He did not speak up or send more help when it was clear shit was going down.

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This is a large part of the problem, when are the media going to be held to account (or rather hold themselves to account), for what's going on? They are are large part of the problem. It's one thing having an editorial line, but this as gone out of the window for fake news, unashamedly biased reporting and shock headlines all in the name of chasing clicks.
And the media is largely responsible for Trump having been elected in the first place. He received billions in free press and probably will continue to even after he's out of office.

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...The whole election process in the US is stupidly complicated and geared towards re-confirming the dual-party setup. I don't have a clue how this could be solved, but there's a good saying that if you want to move a cemetery, don't expect help from within.
This. Moreover, the Electoral College means that both Ds and Rs can't really "allow" a strong 3rd party to grow. Otherwise the House would end up deciding every election since neither mainstream candidate would have 270 EC votes.
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One of the legislators, West Virginia Del. Derrick Evans (R), was among the violent mob that broke into the Capitol building. Evans, who was only recently sworn into office, posted a video of himself entering the building.

“We’re going in,” he says in the video, in which he is wearing a helmet. He later deleted the post.
Probably his only chance of entering the Capitol building.

Meanwhile, the ramifications roll on...
  • Stores run by the Trump organization and Trump's campaign were taken off Shopify on Thursday for violating the company's policy of supporting people who condone violence.
  • YouTube will suspend, ban accounts violating policies following 'disturbing' Capitol riot.
  • Supreme Court rejects Gohmert's last-ditch election suit against Pence
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That's your fallback tactic isn't it? if someone doesn't use your exact words even when you aren't being directly quoted you feign victimhood by misrepresentation.

I think I was quite clear in my description including 'not corrected'

Retracted - 0 points

Retracted - 0 points

Literally the first paragraph in that article is an editors note saying the IG report contradicts elements of the article and they added that note the day after the IG report - 0 points

What lies? there's video showing it happening, the link you posted even mentioned Abe emptied his box first and trump followed suit - 0 points.

"general spin" is not fake news, Russian interference has been established and was a huge story, a degree of breathless reporting is to be expected and I don't know what you're trying to say with the last link, he was accurately quoted in May when there were no vaccine candidates and I saw several experts interviewed around that time saying it was unlikely.

So your total is 0 points, thanks for playing, now I've wasted enough time on your nonsense, as several posters have mentioned, on an ignore list is where you belong. Console yourself if you like that your mighty intellect has vanquished another.
Fantastic how you think that simply by retracing a story it exonerates of any wrong doing in the first place. Headline story, retraction on page 32

You seem to think everything is fine though even though there are scientific papers available on the topic. I’m certainly not going to convince you though.

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If what you are saying is really happening is, then that implies a massive media conspiracy.

Comedy gold. Brilliant trolling* - and excellent dog whistling - well done.

Do go on. Because there's no way you actually believe anything you're posting is true.
For there to be a conspiracy there would have to a certain level of planning and coordination involved. This is more the result of creating an environment where everyone thinks the same and agrees with one another, like those awful American “news” panel shows. Groupthink if you will, rather like this platform actually.

Don’t believe me? Just look at the circumstances over James Bennett‘s departure from the New York Times last year.
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the sad thing is that you actually believe that, even after i posted examples of cnn “making up a story”. Again, it comes back to ones perception of reality.

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Maybe if the media were to give them more exposure.

https://peoplesparty.org/

There are others of course, but if no one talks about them, and the narrative is always on the two parties, then people feel like they wont have a chance.
I believe those times are over and this was the catalyst to bring out a multi (more than two) party system.
Interesting in view of your other posts that you pick a group that are about as politically opposite to Trump as it is possible to be.
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Claims that antifa/BLM infiltrated yesterday’s insurrection are not based in fact. Facial recognition could find only evidence of Maga, white supremacists and Qanon.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybe...-insurrection/
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